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Post by 3rdside » Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:50 am

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Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:15 am
In the Rejecting the Screen podcast recently, Marion said that he had requested a trade prior to that season. It's too bad it didn't work out, and it's too bad his feelings for the organization deteriorated so badly that he wanted out of the 7SOL time. In my mind, if Sarver hadn't been so cash poor after purchasing the team and had given Joe Johnson the $5 million over the length of his contract like he asked, we would have had a title and they would have been together at least another 3 yrs.
Agreed - but what followed, bad luck and even more bad decision making, conspired to make sure we definitely weren't getting one:

- JJ's fractured eye socket
- Amare's injury
- The two stupid suspensions against SA
- Trading players - Kurt Thomas, Marcin Gortat - for nothing
- Trading draft picks - Luol Deng, Rajon Rondo - for nothing

Revisiting all the bad trades in all their awful glory it's hard not to get worked up about Robert Sarver:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... ast-decade

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Post by ShelC » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:43 am

In 05-06, KT broke his foot late in the season and came back in the playoffs but wasn't in great shape. I think I remember MikeD being hesitant to use him or limiting his minutes because of this. Also Raja injured his calf early in the Mavs series and missed some games which cost us because we had such little depth. The 05-06 was really one of our better teams, even without Amar'e, in terms of skill, IQ, and defense.

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Post by 3rdside » Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:34 am

Figured I was missing something .. the KT injury - he got a total of 6 minutes in the 05-06 playoffs and that's it. So no Amare, no KT and Nash still got us to the finals on the back of Marion, Diaw, Bell, Tim Thomas and Barbosa.

The more I think about it, the more the Marion-Shaq trade really was a stupid move as it was Nash making us win with mobile guys around him; Shaq changed our whole style and we really didn't need to do that.

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Re: Suns Videos That Make Me Happy

Post by In2ition » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:42 am

3rdside wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:50 am
In2ition wrote:
Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:15 am
In the Rejecting the Screen podcast recently, Marion said that he had requested a trade prior to that season. It's too bad it didn't work out, and it's too bad his feelings for the organization deteriorated so badly that he wanted out of the 7SOL time. In my mind, if Sarver hadn't been so cash poor after purchasing the team and had given Joe Johnson the $5 million over the length of his contract like he asked, we would have had a title and they would have been together at least another 3 yrs.
Agreed - but what followed, bad luck and even more bad decision making, conspired to make sure we definitely weren't getting one:

- JJ's fractured eye socket
- Amare's injury
- The two stupid suspensions against SA
- Trading players - Kurt Thomas, Marcin Gortat - for nothing
- Trading draft picks - Luol Deng, Rajon Rondo - for nothing

Revisiting all the bad trades in all their awful glory it's hard not to get worked up about Robert Sarver:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/101 ... ast-decade
Oh I agree. The decisions made based on money and against what was best for the team killed the Suns, along with bad luck and injuries.
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Post by In2ition » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:46 am

3rdside wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:34 am
Figured I was missing something .. the KT injury - he got a total of 6 minutes in the 05-06 playoffs and that's it. So no Amare, no KT and Nash still got us to the finals on the back of Marion, Diaw, Bell, Tim Thomas and Barbosa.

The more I think about it, the more the Marion-Shaq trade really was a stupid move as it was Nash making us win with mobile guys around him; Shaq changed our whole style and we really didn't need to do that.
The funny thing about it to me was that after the '05 season I wrote D'Antoni a hand written letter telling him to not back down from pressure to become more conventional and to double down on what made them special. He never returned with a response, so I hsve no idea if he even read it, haha.
"30 wins would be an extremely disappointing season" yeah, I said it and I mean it.

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Post by Split T » Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:26 am

If I remember correctly, that 07-08 team was in first place when we traded Marion for Shaq or close to it.
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Post by O_Gardino » Sat Apr 18, 2020 1:45 pm

I wonder if Ayton will eventually have a career here like Marion's. Finisher, valuable contributor, putting up good numbers, etc. But he's not the engine that makes the train go, so ultimately he is replaceable. And a little underappreciated because he isn't the star folks hoped he would be.

That's certainly how many perceive him now. We will see if DA can eclipse that.
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Post by ShelC » Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:40 pm

I don't think a 7-1 250lb 20/10 center is as replaceable as a 6-7 SF, even as a good or as important as Shawn was to us. And while Ayton may not be "the engine", we may not need him to be. It's also too early to tell on that, tho it'd be nice if it were that obvious as it's what you hope for in a #1 pick. But Pau Gasol made a fine #2 opposite a legit #1 after he left Memphis.

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Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:40 pm
I don't think a 7-1 250lb 20/10 center is as replaceable as a 6-7 SF, even as a good or as important as Shawn was to us. And while Ayton may not be "the engine", we may not need him to be. It's also too early to tell on that, tho it'd be nice if it were that obvious as it's what you hope for in a #1 pick. But Pau Gasol made a fine #2 opposite a legit #1 after he left Memphis.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Booker is “a legit #1” in the same sense as Kobe.
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Post by ShelC » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:02 pm

Cap wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:58 pm
ShelC wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:40 pm
I don't think a 7-1 250lb 20/10 center is as replaceable as a 6-7 SF, even as a good or as important as Shawn was to us. And while Ayton may not be "the engine", we may not need him to be. It's also too early to tell on that, tho it'd be nice if it were that obvious as it's what you hope for in a #1 pick. But Pau Gasol made a fine #2 opposite a legit #1 after he left Memphis.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Booker is “a legit #1” in the same sense as Kobe.
Agreed, which would be a larger issue for us in that case.

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Post by Superbone » Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:30 pm

ShelC wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:02 pm
Cap wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:58 pm
ShelC wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 3:40 pm
I don't think a 7-1 250lb 20/10 center is as replaceable as a 6-7 SF, even as a good or as important as Shawn was to us. And while Ayton may not be "the engine", we may not need him to be. It's also too early to tell on that, tho it'd be nice if it were that obvious as it's what you hope for in a #1 pick. But Pau Gasol made a fine #2 opposite a legit #1 after he left Memphis.
Unfortunately, I don’t think Booker is “a legit #1” in the same sense as Kobe.
Agreed, which would be a larger issue for us in that case.
I don't think he has to be if we also have another legit 1b/2.
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Post by Mori Chu » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:32 pm

I just hope the other guys on the team don't feel too much like they're in Rubio's shadow.

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Post by 3rdside » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:27 am

In2ition wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:46 am
3rdside wrote:
Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:34 am
Figured I was missing something .. the KT injury - he got a total of 6 minutes in the 05-06 playoffs and that's it. So no Amare, no KT and Nash still got us to the finals on the back of Marion, Diaw, Bell, Tim Thomas and Barbosa.

The more I think about it, the more the Marion-Shaq trade really was a stupid move as it was Nash making us win with mobile guys around him; Shaq changed our whole style and we really didn't need to do that.
The funny thing about it to me was that after the '05 season I wrote D'Antoni a hand written letter telling him to not back down from pressure to become more conventional and to double down on what made them special. He never returned with a response, so I hsve no idea if he even read it, haha.
Ha - I wrote to skateboard companies for free stickers as a kid, moved onto political emails to representatives as a grown up and am now writing a project plan for my home town (wishful thinking!), but have never written to a sports club.

Might need to start doing that as I find it hard to believe Sarver isn't totally a lost cause after revisiting the Marion trade.

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Re: Suns Videos That Make Me Happy

Post by Vladimir_Taltos » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:49 pm

I'm going to pull one out of the past. It was Michael Finley's freshman year, November vs. the Lakers. I was at the arena and we were down 10 points...bummer. Than...Mike in particular pulled a rabbit out of his hat...


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Post by Superbone » Tue Apr 21, 2020 11:16 pm

Vladimir_Taltos wrote:
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I'm going to pull one out of the past. It was Michael Finley's freshman year, November vs. the Lakers. I was at the arena and we were down 10 points...bummer. Than...Mike in particular pulled a rabbit out of his hat...

<redacted video>
Wow, that was an amazing comeback with a minute to go. I was at a similar game, had to be in the 80s. Suns came back against Boston and I think it was Jeff Cook who hit the game winner if I remember right.
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Post by O_Gardino » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:40 am

Vladimir_Taltos wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:49 pm
I'm going to pull one out of the past. It was Michael Finley's freshman year, November vs. the Lakers. I was at the arena and we were down 10 points...bummer. Than...Mike in particular pulled a rabbit out of his hat...
That's a great memory, Vlad. Finley was easily my favorite player on the Suns that year. I thought he would be the star that kept the Suns competitive as Barkley and KJ aged.
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Post by Indy » Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:57 am

O_Gardino wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:40 am
Vladimir_Taltos wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:49 pm
I'm going to pull one out of the past. It was Michael Finley's freshman year, November vs. the Lakers. I was at the arena and we were down 10 points...bummer. Than...Mike in particular pulled a rabbit out of his hat...
That's a great memory, Vlad. Finley was easily my favorite player on the Suns that year. I thought he would be the star that kept the Suns competitive as Barkley and KJ aged.
I am still unhappy with the Kidd trade. That basically led to the 'malaise' years. (How sad is it that the malaise years are +25-30 win improvements over our current times?)

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Post by Cap » Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:19 am

Indy wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:57 am
O_Gardino wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:40 am
Vladimir_Taltos wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:49 pm
I'm going to pull one out of the past. It was Michael Finley's freshman year, November vs. the Lakers. I was at the arena and we were down 10 points...bummer. Than...Mike in particular pulled a rabbit out of his hat...
That's a great memory, Vlad. Finley was easily my favorite player on the Suns that year. I thought he would be the star that kept the Suns competitive as Barkley and KJ aged.
I am still unhappy with the Kidd trade. That basically led to the 'malaise' years. (How sad is it that the malaise years are +25-30 win improvements over our current times?)
I think it had more to do with the McDyess fiasco than the Kidd trade. We wouldn’t have been better off with Finley instead of Kidd.
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Post by Indy » Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:56 am

Cap wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 7:19 am
Indy wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:57 am
O_Gardino wrote:
Wed Apr 22, 2020 6:40 am
Vladimir_Taltos wrote:
Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:49 pm
I'm going to pull one out of the past. It was Michael Finley's freshman year, November vs. the Lakers. I was at the arena and we were down 10 points...bummer. Than...Mike in particular pulled a rabbit out of his hat...
That's a great memory, Vlad. Finley was easily my favorite player on the Suns that year. I thought he would be the star that kept the Suns competitive as Barkley and KJ aged.
I am still unhappy with the Kidd trade. That basically led to the 'malaise' years. (How sad is it that the malaise years are +25-30 win improvements over our current times?)
I think it had more to do with the McDyess fiasco than the Kidd trade. We wouldn’t have been better off with Finley instead of Kidd.
I am unsure how you can definitively say that.

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Re: Suns Videos That Make Me Happy

Post by Charlie Smithy! » Wed Apr 22, 2020 12:11 pm

Finley and Nash on the Suns... *swoon*

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