Washington Redskins to change team name

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Re: Washington Redskins to change team name

Post by Nodack » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:58 pm

I think if they are offended then they should change the name. I don’t know about polls either. I am Irish and Norwegian. The name Celtics and Vikings do not bother me. The Vikings were a nomadic tribe that raped and pillaged villages. Are they calling me a rapist? I don’t take it as that. The Vikings were warriors that wore funny hats and that made for a good mascot.

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Re: Washington Redskins to change team name

Post by Superbone » Mon Jul 13, 2020 11:57 pm

In2ition wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:37 pm
I'm not sure what to think about those polls.
Me either. They seem bogus.
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Re: Washington Redskins to change team name

Post by Mori Chu » Tue Jul 14, 2020 8:22 am

Nodack wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:58 pm
I think if they are offended then they should change the name. I don’t know about polls either. I am Irish and Norwegian. The name Celtics and Vikings do not bother me. The Vikings were a nomadic tribe that raped and pillaged villages. Are they calling me a rapist? I don’t take it as that. The Vikings were warriors that wore funny hats and that made for a good mascot.
Nodack: Thanks for the post and the links. My understanding is that opinions have shifted a lot on this issue in the last 4-5 years. Your link is from 2016. I believe I read that the push to change the name has gotten a lot stronger since then.

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Re: Washington Redskins to change team name

Post by Nodack » Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:55 am

Obviously with the recent events a lot of things have changed. I don’t really know what Native Americans think about the subject. It seems names we place on people change over the years. In the fifties being gay meant you were happy. If someone says “Hey guys!” to a group of people, it doesn’t mean they are only talking to the males.

Here is an article that asks several prominent Native Americans what they prefer being called.

https://indiancountrytoday.com/archive/ ... 3FTVdMi9EQ

After reading that I can see there is no real consensus among them either.

https://www.nativetimes.com/index.php/l ... efs-of-old

Who decided for us that we should be called "Native Americans?"

It was the mainstream media of course. One day a reporter was interviewing an East Coast Indian and the reporter said, "Indian" and the East Coast Indian said, "No, we don’t like to be called Indians because we got that name when Columbus thought he landed in India: We prefer to be called Native Americans."

"Well," the reporter replied, "I am of Irish descent but I was born in America so therefore I also am a Native American." And so when the story was published the Indian people were labeled as Native Americans. The white media had finally pulled one over the indigenous people.

During the activist days of the 1960s and 70s the U. S. Government responded to the activists’ protests by proposing the term "Native American." And so the anti-government activists decided to accept the name Native American, a name suggested by the United States Government, a government that they despised. Say what?

The other arguable explanation was Columbus’s use of the term "una gest in Dios" or "a people in God" which was reduced to "Indios" for every day usage by the Spaniards and later was further changed to "Indian" as the word moved north. And what’s more we hear that in 1492 Columbus could not have thought he had reached the Indies because at that time there was no Indies, but they instead were called Hindustan.

That sad part of this entire fiasco is that so many of the so-called "elitist Indians" have allowed themselves to be bullied into using the name "Native Americans" and even "Native" by a white media that seems to have set the agenda for what we should be called.

One elderly Lakota man from the Standing Rock Sioux Reservation said recently, "If some Indians want to be called Native Americans or Natives, let them be called that, but I was born an Indian and I shall die an Indian.

So if you travel to any Indian reservation out west you will soon discover that nearly all of the indigenous people refer to themselves as "Indian," especially the elders who are still fluent in their Indian language. As Chief Oliver Red Cloud said a few years before he died, "I am Lakota and I am Indian."

As an Indian newspaper we must be very careful that what we call ourselves is not dictated to us by the white media. We have been Indians for a few hundred years and the name carries our history. Crazy Horse, Sitting Bull and Little Wound (Read their quotes) all called themselves "Indian" and they said it with pride. Should we dishonor them by saying they were wrong?

Political correctness be damned: We will use "Indian" if and when we choose. We will not be intimidated by the politically correct bunch or the white media.

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