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That is the most interesting comp I've heard.
Presently you could start Oubre at the 3 and Bridges at the 4, but it isn't ideal. If Bridges keeps breaking out, that's the best argument for trading Oubre. I still like Oubre and want to keep him and don't want to overreact to a handful of strong games by Bridges yet. If Oubre were gone, you could make the case for starting Cam Johnson at the 4. A little undersized, but Bridges + Cam are both pretty decent defenders and could likely hold their own. A Bridges-Johnson-Ayton front line is not bad compared to most of the smaller teams in the league, and that frontcourt has great shooting, scoring, and general 1-on-1 defense. Would be weak against, say, Philly with their big lineups, or maybe the Lakers.Cap wrote: ↑Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:54 pmBridges is an awesome 3&D guy who can also drive and make plays. Next season he’ll probably start, since he’s such an ideal complement to RR+DB+DA, and gives us the luxury of bringing Oubre off the bench to give some creative punch to the second unit. Hopefully we can find a good starting PF in the offseason and don’t have to resort to starting Bridges and Oubre together.
Although that has been generally the case this season , much like Mikal I am watching what he does now and thinking what it can mean going forward.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:08 amCam is fine height-wise, but he is not a good defender or rebounded, and gets pushed around a ton. He isn't even close to being a starting 4 on a good team. If the Bridges we saw the last 15 games in for real, he can start at the 3 for a good team, and Kelly was fine at the 4 (but neither are ideal there).
Idk if there is a huge difference between Cam starting at the 4 vs. Kelly starting at the 4. I would probably lean to Cam being the better team defender and slightly better rebounder, but much better shooter, worse as a slasher.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:08 amCam is fine height-wise, but he is not a good defender or rebounded, and gets pushed around a ton. He isn't even close to being a starting 4 on a good team. If the Bridges we saw the last 15 games in for real, he can start at the 3 for a good team, and Kelly was fine at the 4 (but neither are ideal there).
how many minutes for each of those lineups?In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:40 amIdk if there is a huge difference between Cam starting at the 4 vs. Kelly starting at the 4. I would probably lean to Cam being the better team defender and slightly better rebounder, but much better shooter, worse as a slasher.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:08 amCam is fine height-wise, but he is not a good defender or rebounded, and gets pushed around a ton. He isn't even close to being a starting 4 on a good team. If the Bridges we saw the last 15 games in for real, he can start at the 3 for a good team, and Kelly was fine at the 4 (but neither are ideal there).
The NetRtg of the 5 man lineup of Rubio, Booker, Bridges, Oubre, Ayton is 20.2
but the NetRtg of the 5 man lineup of Rubio, Booker, Bridges, Johnson, Ayton is 20.2
long post? those are all good points. Post as long as you want!bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:35 amAlthough that has been generally the case this season , much like Mikal I am watching what he does now and thinking what it can mean going forward.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:08 amCam is fine height-wise, but he is not a good defender or rebounded, and gets pushed around a ton. He isn't even close to being a starting 4 on a good team. If the Bridges we saw the last 15 games in for real, he can start at the 3 for a good team, and Kelly was fine at the 4 (but neither are ideal there).
VanVleet got him a couple times on switches but for me he wasn't a glaring weakness y'day and his boxing out was fine. I'm probably watching him closer than most as I know we generally focus only on his 3pt shooting to gauge his performance
Ibaka didn't get any offensive rebounds against him and I remember laughing bcuz the first off reb came when Frank checked in. RHJ who's a good rebounder for his size was trying to muscle him around and he was solid boxing him out also.
I like how he is running the court but Lowry got him on charges but he does that to the best of them. He been ok attacking off one foot jumps but he has to go up stronger off two feet. I find he got blocked multiple times during the season trying to go up in the paint on close in shots.
Finally like EJ said I also pay attention to his pull up jumpers and he hit a couple playing with the bench guys game before and another one y'day which will be key
I wish I was into video editing to maybe back up my claims lol but I just believe he can develop into a solid scorer and not just someone we hopes hit some 3s nightly
Apologies for the long post
Good take. I'll have to pay attention to Cam boxing out.bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:35 amAlthough that has been generally the case this season , much like Mikal I am watching what he does now and thinking what it can mean going forward.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:08 amCam is fine height-wise, but he is not a good defender or rebounded, and gets pushed around a ton. He isn't even close to being a starting 4 on a good team. If the Bridges we saw the last 15 games in for real, he can start at the 3 for a good team, and Kelly was fine at the 4 (but neither are ideal there).
VanVleet got him a couple times on switches but for me he wasn't a glaring weakness y'day and his boxing out was fine. I'm probably watching him closer than most as I know we generally focus only on his 3pt shooting to gauge his performance
Ibaka didn't get any offensive rebounds against him and I remember laughing bcuz the first off reb came when Frank checked in. RHJ who's a good rebounder for his size was trying to muscle him around and he was solid boxing him out also.
I like how he is running the court but Lowry got him on charges but he does that to the best of them. He been ok attacking off one foot jumps but he has to go up stronger off two feet. I find he got blocked multiple times during the season trying to go up in the paint on close in shots.
Finally like EJ said I also pay attention to his pull up jumpers and he hit a couple playing with the bench guys game before and another one y'day which will be key
I wish I was into video editing to maybe back up my claims lol but I just believe he can develop into a solid scorer and not just someone we hopes hit some 3s nightly
Apologies for the long post
Much higher in the Oubre lineup than the Johnson lineup. You could see that it wasn't a huge difference yesterday though. Small sample size theater though.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:54 amhow many minutes for each of those lineups?In2ition wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:40 amIdk if there is a huge difference between Cam starting at the 4 vs. Kelly starting at the 4. I would probably lean to Cam being the better team defender and slightly better rebounder, but much better shooter, worse as a slasher.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 9:08 amCam is fine height-wise, but he is not a good defender or rebounded, and gets pushed around a ton. He isn't even close to being a starting 4 on a good team. If the Bridges we saw the last 15 games in for real, he can start at the 3 for a good team, and Kelly was fine at the 4 (but neither are ideal there).
The NetRtg of the 5 man lineup of Rubio, Booker, Bridges, Oubre, Ayton is 20.2
but the NetRtg of the 5 man lineup of Rubio, Booker, Bridges, Johnson, Ayton is 20.2
Very true. The Raptors just cruised because for them it was a warm up. We had a bunch of guys playing to prove they belong in the NBA and can win in our system.The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:06 amThey're somewhere between preseason games where players who are showing to be cut might see time, and regular season games where starters get their regular minutes.
I wouldn't read much into an upset like the Suns beating the Raptors or starter's numbers being down, but sustained quality play is always good to see.
And I think a lot of the things we did well are repeatable.Agreed. I'll feel a lot better if the whole team was available, including Kelly, but I realize that we probably won't see him.O_Gardino wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:17 amVery true. The Raptors just cruised because for them it was a warm up. We had a bunch of guys playing to prove they belong in the NBA and can win in our system.The Bobster wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:06 amThey're somewhere between preseason games where players who are showing to be cut might see time, and regular season games where starters get their regular minutes.
I wouldn't read much into an upset like the Suns beating the Raptors or starter's numbers being down, but sustained quality play is always good to see.
Still felt good to win, though.
I get that, and there may be a little something to that, but it could also be an excuse given for their poor play.bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:56 amYup no arguments with any of the above
Raptors starters especially Siakam definitely were cruising but I also think that Nick Nurse told them for the few minutes he sends them out in the 3rd to give a better effort and we responded
Even some commentators which I can't remember now are like "our games really start the 15th" or something to that effect which although I get the argument I don't see teams that already in just content to play subpar bcuz they're already in
Either way I think we can hang with anybody just the bench is a real issue but let's see how it goes