Around the League: Offseason

Discussion of the league and of our favorite team.
User avatar
Mori Chu
Posts: 11573
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:05 am

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Mori Chu » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:49 pm

That Rockets team is a weird one. I really don't like the fit between Harden and Westbrook. I don't know if keeping Paul would have been better asset-wise, but I liked the team better with Paul overall than I do with Westbrook. And my understanding is that they have uncharacteristically mortgaged several of their future draft picks to assemble this current team of theirs. I do think they've peaked and aren't going to win any titles with this core. They could make some moves and reload around Harden, but it's hard to know what they can do given their depletion of assets. I think they may have some rough years ahead.

User avatar
Split T
Posts: 9459
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:51 am
Location: Provo, Utah

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Split T » Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:58 pm

Ya they don’t have picks for the next few years. To be fair to Westbrook, he wasn’t really healthy in the playoffs. It was working before the shutdown with Westbrook playing really well up to the all star break.
Tyrese Haliburton • Devin Vassell • Killian Hayes • Aaron Nesmith • Patrick Williams • RJ Hampton

User avatar
Superbone
Posts: 18169
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 11:44 am
Location: Escondido, CA (Phoenix Native)

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Superbone » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:30 pm

Just shows that analytics alone won’t get it done. Here’s looking at you Daryl Morey.
Wormwood/Superbone 2019/2020 season bet: Suns win < 30 games, Wormwood wins, else 'Bone wins. 1 month avatar shame starting July 1st of winner's choosing. ACCOMPLISHED! 34 wins in a shortened season!

User avatar
specialsauce
Posts: 4328
Joined: Fri Mar 07, 2014 8:45 pm

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by specialsauce » Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:37 pm

Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:49 pm
That Rockets team is a weird one. I really don't like the fit between Harden and Westbrook. I don't know if keeping Paul would have been better asset-wise, but I liked the team better with Paul overall than I do with Westbrook. And my understanding is that they have uncharacteristically mortgaged several of their future draft picks to assemble this current team of theirs. I do think they've peaked and aren't going to win any titles with this core. They could make some moves and reload around Harden, but it's hard to know what they can do given their depletion of assets. I think they may have some rough years ahead.
Would the Suns dare dangle Ayton Oubre and multiple firsts for Harden?

I don’t like him, but is it time for the rockets to listen to offers?

BigLewy
Posts: 107
Joined: Sat Mar 01, 2014 11:15 am

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by BigLewy » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:04 pm

specialsauce wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:37 pm
Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:49 pm
That Rockets team is a weird one. I really don't like the fit between Harden and Westbrook. I don't know if keeping Paul would have been better asset-wise, but I liked the team better with Paul overall than I do with Westbrook. And my understanding is that they have uncharacteristically mortgaged several of their future draft picks to assemble this current team of theirs. I do think they've peaked and aren't going to win any titles with this core. They could make some moves and reload around Harden, but it's hard to know what they can do given their depletion of assets. I think they may have some rough years ahead.
Would the Suns dare dangle Ayton Oubre and multiple firsts for Harden?

I don’t like him, but is it time for the rockets to listen to offers?
If I'm dangling Ayton and Oubre and picks, I'm going after Giannis. I don't think Harden would pair well with Booker. But I do think Houston needs to listen to offers because Westbrook will become an albatross sooner than later, if he isn't already.

User avatar
ShelC
Posts: 6265
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:00 am

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by ShelC » Mon Sep 14, 2020 3:41 am

Well the good news for us would seem to be that the Rockets are screwed. They went all in on D'Antoni ball and he left so now they're looking at Harden and Westbrook with PJ Tucker at center unless some major changes are made. I don't know what coach would want to step into that situation right now. Capela was at least an athletic defensive big most coaches would love to have on the floor. But that PJ Tucker BS wasn't going to fly long term or in the playoffs. And MikeD said the Lakers beat them with "smallball" because AD was center...not quite. Either way, you figure they have to make some changes and maybe fall off some next season.

Not quite sure how to fix them. They need a big now in the worst way and Westbrook probably needs to go.

User avatar
Flagrant Fowl
Posts: 3288
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:04 am
Location: Haeundae, Busan, South Korea

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:07 am

I think anything is possible with Houston right now.

Which potential coach could come in and salvage that situation with the current roster? Moray has to be next, right?

I don't usually dive into roster fan-fiction too much, but if it were possible to add Harden to Booker and Ayton, it would have to be attempted.
UOducks4life in a previous life. Valar Morghulis.

User avatar
ShelC
Posts: 6265
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:00 am

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by ShelC » Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:29 am

Bucks get Westbrook and Rockets get Bledsoe, Brook and Illyasova or something?

Knicks get Westbrook and Rockets get Randle, Taj and Ellington/Elf Payton plus picks?

User avatar
Indy
Posts: 10769
Joined: Sat Aug 16, 2014 9:21 pm
Contact:

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Indy » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:48 am

Westbrook should be Knick more than any other current player.

User avatar
Split T
Posts: 9459
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:51 am
Location: Provo, Utah

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Split T » Mon Sep 14, 2020 7:57 am

Knicks do make sense. Westbrook has his flaws, but he could improve the Knicks a lot. Even get them back into the playoff discussion.
Tyrese Haliburton • Devin Vassell • Killian Hayes • Aaron Nesmith • Patrick Williams • RJ Hampton

User avatar
Mori Chu
Posts: 11573
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:05 am

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Mori Chu » Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:23 am

I actually like the idea of Westbrook/Knicks a lot. They haven't had a real mofo on their roster for a while; their fans would love him and how hard he plays every night. And he might actually help their team.

User avatar
ShelC
Posts: 6265
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:00 am

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by ShelC » Wed Sep 16, 2020 7:34 am


User avatar
INFORMER
Posts: 5782
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:19 pm

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by INFORMER » Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:24 pm

Hermen wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:26 am
OKC keeps Paul and trades Adams + picks & pick swaps for Giannis.
OKC could offer 1,000 first rounders in that deal and Milwaukee would still say no. Steven Adams isn't going to get it done.
2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey

User avatar
INFORMER
Posts: 5782
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:19 pm

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by INFORMER » Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:26 pm

Split T wrote:
Sun Sep 13, 2020 1:00 pm
I’ve heard Houston is interested in San Cassell. Currently an assistant with Clippers
Sam Cassell would definitely be a different voice/direction. He could probably connect with Westbrook and Harden.
2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey

User avatar
INFORMER
Posts: 5782
Joined: Thu Feb 27, 2014 2:19 pm

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by INFORMER » Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:28 pm

ShelC wrote:
Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:29 am
Bucks get Westbrook and Rockets get Bledsoe, Brook and Illyasova or something?

Knicks get Westbrook and Rockets get Randle, Taj and Ellington/Elf Payton plus picks?
Both of those are interesting scenarios, although I don't think NY package is what Houston would be looking for. But I agree NY is a great destination for Westbrook.
2020 Draft: Aaron Nesmith - Paul Reed - Reggie Perry - Leandro Bolmaro - Lamine Diane - Jalen Smith - Desmond Bane - Rayshaun Hammonds - Sam Merrill - Tre Jones - Tyler Bey

User avatar
ShelC
Posts: 6265
Joined: Fri Feb 28, 2014 6:00 am

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by ShelC » Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:56 pm

The Houston scenario could only work depending on who they bring on as coach. Maybe a new coach says, "sure, give me an offensive minded 20-10 power forward to pair with Harden instead of another guard". Other than that, I don't know what NY could do in terms of salary to send over unless there's a 3rd team involved.

Westbrook would take the pressure off RJ and make Mitch better, assuming the Rockets don't insist on one of those coming back in the deal.

User avatar
Flagrant Fowl
Posts: 3288
Joined: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:04 am
Location: Haeundae, Busan, South Korea

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:59 pm

Westbrook needs to embrace his identity as a power forward. He's guard-Shawn Marion, but he plays with a green light like he's Steve Nash.
UOducks4life in a previous life. Valar Morghulis.

User avatar
Mori Chu
Posts: 11573
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:05 am

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Mori Chu » Sun Sep 20, 2020 11:59 am

Big news for Book:

User avatar
Charlie Smithy!
Posts: 643
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:01 pm

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Charlie Smithy! » Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:19 pm

Well, he's not a virgin anymore.

User avatar
Split T
Posts: 9459
Joined: Wed Jul 16, 2014 9:51 am
Location: Provo, Utah

Re: Around the League: Offseason

Post by Split T » Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:51 pm

Mori isn’t gonna be happy...no Rubio on there.
Tyrese Haliburton • Devin Vassell • Killian Hayes • Aaron Nesmith • Patrick Williams • RJ Hampton

Post Reply