I can't believe we don't have a dedicated thread on Jae Crowder, so here it is!
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:03 pm
Jae Crowder, the beloved son of Corey Crowder, who briefly played in the NBA.
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Ariza’s main offensive skill at this point is his shooting, where he checked in at 36 percent from deep on over six attempts a game through four years in Houston. On that level of attempts, Ariza is a more than reliable floor spacer, but he also knows exactly where to be on both ends of the floor, unlike the two former top-10 picks.
The Suns won’t have to worry about shrugging their shoulders and picking one of their younger forwards to start like they did with Josh Jackson guarding Blake Griffin on opening night last year.
Instead, Ariza gives them a rock-solid 28-to-35 minutes a night on both ends. He will knock down his threes and he will play above average defense.
A veteran power forward that can do that is not cheap, and the Suns paid a high price to make it a one-year deal.
That’s a crucial piece of information to understanding the Ariza deal, because the Suns have a long-term vision of playing Jackson and Mikal Bridges together for long stretches of games. Now, they don’t have to rush into that idea or rely on the so-far unreliable Bender or Chriss.
That was worth handcuffing themselves for the rest of free agency.
I like listening to his podcast, but he talks faster than he thinks, and I assume that is the same for his writing. Kevin Zimmerman usually has more further-thought-out takes on the show.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:53 pmI already said Crowder won't mail it in like Trevor did.
But I was curious about Olson's take on the Ariza acquisition. I don't think the Crowder signing is awful or horrendous; I though Ariza's was. But I don't think it is a particularly good move either. And I think some of the rationale that people used to talk themselves into liking the Ariza move is being used here as well.
Yeah, it is fine. If after the Paul trade, you heard we would have ended free agency and the draft by re-signing Dario, picking Jalen Smith, and signing Crowder for the full MLE, I doubt anyone here would have said it was a even a B+ off-season.Split T wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:57 pmIn Kellan Olson’s defense, Ariza would have been a decent player if he actually cared to try. It was our mistake for thinking he was the leader type to guide our young players, but Ariza saw that we weren’t that good and checked out. He only signed in the first place because we overpaid him.
I also don’t love the Crowder signing, but I understand it and am ok with it. We’re not asking him to be a leader, or lift up a crappy team. We’re just asking him to play a role on an already good team with its leaders in place.
Zimmerman is the worst. He talks in a slow monotone voice and I’m not sure he ever really knows what he’s talking about. Kellan has to prod him all the time. I don’t know who thought they’d make a good podcast duo.Indy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:00 pmI like listening to his podcast, but he talks faster than he thinks, and I assume that is the same for his writing. Kevin Zimmerman usually has more further-thought-out takes on the show.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:53 pmI already said Crowder won't mail it in like Trevor did.
But I was curious about Olson's take on the Ariza acquisition. I don't think the Crowder signing is awful or horrendous; I though Ariza's was. But I don't think it is a particularly good move either. And I think some of the rationale that people used to talk themselves into liking the Ariza move is being used here as well.
I think Kellan would be the first to admit how wrong he was about Ariza. He talks about how bad Ariza was for us on the regular. And he isn't like some famous draft guys that go back and delete or change their previous predictions.
I feel the exact opposite.carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:11 pmZimmerman is the worst. He talks in a slow monotone voice and I’m not sure he ever really knows what he’s talking about. Kellan has to prod him all the time. I don’t know who thought they’d make a good podcast duo.Indy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:00 pmI like listening to his podcast, but he talks faster than he thinks, and I assume that is the same for his writing. Kevin Zimmerman usually has more further-thought-out takes on the show.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:53 pmI already said Crowder won't mail it in like Trevor did.
But I was curious about Olson's take on the Ariza acquisition. I don't think the Crowder signing is awful or horrendous; I though Ariza's was. But I don't think it is a particularly good move either. And I think some of the rationale that people used to talk themselves into liking the Ariza move is being used here as well.
I think Kellan would be the first to admit how wrong he was about Ariza. He talks about how bad Ariza was for us on the regular. And he isn't like some famous draft guys that go back and delete or change their previous predictions.
Ya I think Jalen is good, same with Crowder and Saric, but I’ve thought our biggest need this whole time has been a creator off the bench and we still haven’t got that. I’ve been optimistic about Cam Payne, hopefully he’s up for it.Indy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:02 pmYeah, it is fine. If after the Paul trade, you heard we would have ended free agency and the draft by re-signing Dario, picking Jalen Smith, and signing Crowder for the full MLE, I doubt anyone here would have said it was a even a B+ off-season.Split T wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 7:57 pmIn Kellan Olson’s defense, Ariza would have been a decent player if he actually cared to try. It was our mistake for thinking he was the leader type to guide our young players, but Ariza saw that we weren’t that good and checked out. He only signed in the first place because we overpaid him.
I also don’t love the Crowder signing, but I understand it and am ok with it. We’re not asking him to be a leader, or lift up a crappy team. We’re just asking him to play a role on an already good team with its leaders in place.
I’m with Carey. Kevin seems clueless for the most part. LolIndy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:22 pmI feel the exact opposite.carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:11 pmZimmerman is the worst. He talks in a slow monotone voice and I’m not sure he ever really knows what he’s talking about. Kellan has to prod him all the time. I don’t know who thought they’d make a good podcast duo.Indy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:00 pmI like listening to his podcast, but he talks faster than he thinks, and I assume that is the same for his writing. Kevin Zimmerman usually has more further-thought-out takes on the show.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:53 pmI already said Crowder won't mail it in like Trevor did.
But I was curious about Olson's take on the Ariza acquisition. I don't think the Crowder signing is awful or horrendous; I though Ariza's was. But I don't think it is a particularly good move either. And I think some of the rationale that people used to talk themselves into liking the Ariza move is being used here as well.
I think Kellan would be the first to admit how wrong he was about Ariza. He talks about how bad Ariza was for us on the regular. And he isn't like some famous draft guys that go back and delete or change their previous predictions.Kellan talks without taking a breath for 90% of the show. He hardly lets Kevin talk. I listen to hear Kevin bring Kellan back down to earth.
I'm with you guys too on this one. Kevin used to do the intros and it was so low key it was unbelievable. Finally Kellan took it over.BookTheGoat wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 1:05 amI’m with Carey. Kevin seems clueless for the most part. LolIndy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:22 pmI feel the exact opposite.carey wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:11 pmZimmerman is the worst. He talks in a slow monotone voice and I’m not sure he ever really knows what he’s talking about. Kellan has to prod him all the time. I don’t know who thought they’d make a good podcast duo.Indy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 8:00 pmI like listening to his podcast, but he talks faster than he thinks, and I assume that is the same for his writing. Kevin Zimmerman usually has more further-thought-out takes on the show.INFORMER wrote: ↑Sat Nov 21, 2020 6:53 pmI already said Crowder won't mail it in like Trevor did.
But I was curious about Olson's take on the Ariza acquisition. I don't think the Crowder signing is awful or horrendous; I though Ariza's was. But I don't think it is a particularly good move either. And I think some of the rationale that people used to talk themselves into liking the Ariza move is being used here as well.
I think Kellan would be the first to admit how wrong he was about Ariza. He talks about how bad Ariza was for us on the regular. And he isn't like some famous draft guys that go back and delete or change their previous predictions.Kellan talks without taking a breath for 90% of the show. He hardly lets Kevin talk. I listen to hear Kevin bring Kellan back down to earth.
He has also shot worse than 32% only once. Six out of eight seasons in the range .323-.343. Weirdly consistent.Ring_Wanted wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 2:20 amBut beware as he is not great at shooting: besides last half season in MIA, Crowder has shot better than 35% from 3pt only once (2017 in BOS).