Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Suns have a surfeit of guards who are more comfortable playing off the ball.
Payne played well in the bubble, but that was then, and this is now.
Galloway after two games, has shot lights out. He's the most impressive (non-Paul) addition so far.
It's early, it's only two preseason games, but still it's something to consider.
What's up for grabs is somebody who can run the offense decently with Paul on the bench.
Payne played well in the bubble, but that was then, and this is now.
Galloway after two games, has shot lights out. He's the most impressive (non-Paul) addition so far.
It's early, it's only two preseason games, but still it's something to consider.
What's up for grabs is somebody who can run the offense decently with Paul on the bench.
Window is open again ... blue skies ahead?
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
I learned a new word today. Thanks, Laz!
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Sure, he’s a scoring pg, but he’s still a pg. I’d define a pg as someone who plays on ball. Ideally you’d want one that is better at creating scoring opportunities for his teammates, but guys like Carter, Galloway, and Moore haven’t even really shown the ability to create scoring opportunities for themselves. Payne can do that.ShelC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:30 amI wouldn't even regard Payne as a PG, more of a scoring guard who can play PG. He could fire in the bubble but it's not like he was dishing out assists. It was a group effort with the 2nd unit passing and hitting shots. It's why I think Saric is a key guy, a "connector" as Monty calls him. He can initiate and take the pressure off those bench guards.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Ayton had a front row view. He didn't even flinch or even entertain the idea of getting in front of that.
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Maybe he just wanted to see Mitchell dunk.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
True about Saric. That is why it is so critical he returns to his bubble-self, and not his rest-of-career-self.ShelC wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 11:30 amI wouldn't even regard Payne as a PG, more of a scoring guard who can play PG. He caught fire in the bubble but it's not like he was dishing out assists. It was a group effort with the 2nd unit passing and hitting shots. It's why I think Saric is a key guy, a "connector" as Monty calls him. He can initiate and take the pressure off those bench guards.
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Unfortunately, it feels like I saw that or something very similar about 3 times last night. Part of it is trying to concentrate on Gobert, and part of it is not concentrating on his responsibilities to protect the rim. I shouldn't be concerned about Ayton and the preseason, but I am concerned about him and the preseason.
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
That is exactly how I feel.In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:14 pmUnfortunately, it feels like I saw that or something very similar about 3 times last night. Part of it is trying to concentrate on Gobert, and part of it is not concentrating on his responsibilities to protect the rim. I shouldn't be concerned about Ayton and the preseason, but I am concerned about him and the preseason.
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
This question needs to be asked of the karbasi; truly, what would be the result if we merged Kelly oubre and DeAndre ayton into a singular being?
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
I’m already starting to regret Split’s sig.
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
I overreacted yesterday.
I don't know how trading Ayton sometime soon would help this team. I'm just worried about his extension. He continuously looks like big man Andrew Wiggins with each passing game, and contenders can't be paying the third or fourth best guy on the team a max-level salary.
I don't know how trading Ayton sometime soon would help this team. I'm just worried about his extension. He continuously looks like big man Andrew Wiggins with each passing game, and contenders can't be paying the third or fourth best guy on the team a max-level salary.
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
You absolutely can if one of your other 3 are still on a rookie deal, or you are willing to pay the taxes. But all of that assumes he is worth it. And this DA is not worth a 5yr/150M deal. Not even close.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:04 pmI overreacted yesterday.
I don't know how trading Ayton sometime soon would help this team. I'm just worried about his extension. He continuously looks like big man Andrew Wiggins with each passing game, and contenders can't be paying the third or fourth best guy on the team a max-level salary.
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
I should've said "don't" instead of "can't", because while possible, neither of those options are available to the Suns or most teams.
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Lol. I don’t hate DA like I do KO. I’m just really disappointed he hasn’t improved his approach to the game at all and talks such a big game every time he opens his mouth.Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:17 pmThis question needs to be asked of the karbasi; truly, what would be the result if we merged Kelly oubre and DeAndre ayton into a singular being?
How does he say some Bs about this being the hardest he’s ever worked out this offseason, then gets ripped for being out of shape by his coach?
Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
I think his level of "hardest ever" is a little bit different than someone like KG or any of the superstars. He just doesn't know.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:28 pmLol. I don’t hate DA like I do KO. I’m just really disappointed he hasn’t improved his approach to the game at all and talks such a big game every time he opens his mouth.Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:17 pmThis question needs to be asked of the karbasi; truly, what would be the result if we merged Kelly oubre and DeAndre ayton into a singular being?
How does he say some Bs about this being the hardest he’s ever worked out this offseason, then gets ripped for being out of shape by his coach?
Also, do you think that he shoots middies when he plays himself in 2K? I can't recall a player like him that just goes out of his way to avoid contact as much as he does.
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Yep, I saw it at least one other time.In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 3:14 pmUnfortunately, it feels like I saw that or something very similar about 3 times last night. Part of it is trying to concentrate on Gobert, and part of it is not concentrating on his responsibilities to protect the rim. I shouldn't be concerned about Ayton and the preseason, but I am concerned about him and the preseason.
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
I'm starting to think he just says what people tell him. For example, coach probably told him that if he just plays great basketball and doesn't worry about his contract, he will get a great new contract naturally. So, he repeats that back to the media. However, he hasn't taken it to heart. It's just a good sound bite.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:28 pmLol. I don’t hate DA like I do KO. I’m just really disappointed he hasn’t improved his approach to the game at all and talks such a big game every time he opens his mouth.Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:17 pmThis question needs to be asked of the karbasi; truly, what would be the result if we merged Kelly oubre and DeAndre ayton into a singular being?
How does he say some Bs about this being the hardest he’s ever worked out this offseason, then gets ripped for being out of shape by his coach?
"Be Legendary."
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Re: Game Day (Preseason): Suns @ Jazz, Mon 12/14/20
Beating the dead horse (reviving and then beating) but getting the #1 pick in the draft with Doncic...I've lived with a lot of things as a Suns/sports fan, but damn.Superbone wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:45 pmI'm starting to think he just says what people tell him. For example, coach probably told him that if he just plays great basketball and doesn't worry about his contract, he will get a great new contract naturally. So, he repeats that back to the media. However, he hasn't taken it to heart. It's just a good sound bite.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 5:28 pmLol. I don’t hate DA like I do KO. I’m just really disappointed he hasn’t improved his approach to the game at all and talks such a big game every time he opens his mouth.Charlie Smithy! wrote: ↑Tue Dec 15, 2020 4:17 pmThis question needs to be asked of the karbasi; truly, what would be the result if we merged Kelly oubre and DeAndre ayton into a singular being?
How does he say some Bs about this being the hardest he’s ever worked out this offseason, then gets ripped for being out of shape by his coach?