Game Day: Suns (3-1) @ Jazz (2-1), Thurs 12/31/20

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Re: Game Day: Suns (3-1) @ Jazz (2-1), Thurs 12/31/20

Post by SunsRIt » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:32 am

Indy wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:46 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:37 am
djy2j wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:35 am
Superbone wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:02 pm
iLLmatic wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:29 pm
Great team win. 4-1 feels good.
Just to win in Utah is big. The Jazz announcers complained about the missing fans.
Really levels the playing field w/o a bunch of racist homophobes in the stands
That’s a bit uncalled for.
Agreed on the generalizing (making it sound like it was all Jazz fans). But, like Boston, Utah fans are renown for this.
Oh really? Which ones?

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Post by jonh » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:44 am

SunsRIt wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:32 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:46 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:37 am
djy2j wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:35 am
Superbone wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:02 pm


Just to win in Utah is big. The Jazz announcers complained about the missing fans.
Really levels the playing field w/o a bunch of racist homophobes in the stands
That’s a bit uncalled for.
Agreed on the generalizing (making it sound like it was all Jazz fans). But, like Boston, Utah fans are renown for this.
Oh really? Which ones?
I'm a Jazz fan, and lived in the Provo area for almost a decade--I would not characterize my friends that are Jazz fans as racist, but there have been altercations with players (such as Westbrook) that suggest the players may see Jazz fans as being more willing to throw out offensive phrases:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/spor ... h-fan.html
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Post by O_Gardino » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:46 am

Superbone wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:08 pm
The Bobster wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:01 pm
fivethirtyeight.com gives the Suns an 86% chance of making the playoffs and a 5% chance of winning the Finals.
Gotta start somewhere. There’s a good chance those percentages change as the season goes on though.
Those odds are only going up, my friend.
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Post by LazarusLong » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:47 am

Avoiding pejoratives, we can confidently characterize Jazz fans as being overly vociferous … ;)
The Suns finally have the potential to shine again ... 8-)

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Post by O_Gardino » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:50 am

3rdside wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:26 am
Ayton needs to watch this 1000 times - he was invisible on offense today. If there would have been one word of advice before the game it would have been no fouls early, 2 fouls in 2 minutes into the game later ..

Wood has good hands.
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Post by INFORMER » Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:56 am

ShelC wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:47 pm
Cap wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 1:42 pm
Barometer game for Ayton. He has really struggled with Gobert in the past. I need to see him start holding his own (at least) in this matchup.
Agree. Very interested to see how things start off with him and if he's prepared.
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Post by INFORMER » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:04 pm

Superbone wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:06 pm
LazarusLong wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:49 pm
Superbone wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:39 pm
What’s with Booker missing all the free throws?! I think that’s three misses so far...
Still preseason in some regards for Booker. TOs, missed free throws ... but he'll get in the groove eventually.
We’ll be very dangerous when that happens.
Top 3 in the West?

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Post by Indy » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:09 pm

SunsRIt wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:32 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:46 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:37 am
djy2j wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:35 am
Superbone wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:02 pm


Just to win in Utah is big. The Jazz announcers complained about the missing fans.
Really levels the playing field w/o a bunch of racist homophobes in the stands
That’s a bit uncalled for.
Agreed on the generalizing (making it sound like it was all Jazz fans). But, like Boston, Utah fans are renown for this.
Oh really? Which ones?
never said that all or even most are racist. they are just known for it in the NBA, like Boston fans. maybe it is completely unfounded and racist remarks are not thrown around there towards players more than other arenas. But you hear nba players talk about it more there and boston than other places.

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Post by Indy » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:10 pm

INFORMER wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:04 pm
Superbone wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 10:06 pm
LazarusLong wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:49 pm
Superbone wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 9:39 pm
What’s with Booker missing all the free throws?! I think that’s three misses so far...
Still preseason in some regards for Booker. TOs, missed free throws ... but he'll get in the groove eventually.
We’ll be very dangerous when that happens.
Top 3 in the West?
If the defense holds, yes.

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Post by INFORMER » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:15 pm

3rdside wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:26 am
Ayton needs to watch this 1000 times - he was invisible on offense today. If there would have been one word of advice before the game it would have been no fouls early, 2 fouls in 2 minutes into the game later ..

It's not fair to ask Ayton to be Christian Wood on offense. But yeah, Wood is a stud. Wish we had him.

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Post by Split T » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:15 pm

jonh wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:44 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:32 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:46 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:37 am
djy2j wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:35 am


Really levels the playing field w/o a bunch of racist homophobes in the stands
That’s a bit uncalled for.
Agreed on the generalizing (making it sound like it was all Jazz fans). But, like Boston, Utah fans are renown for this.
Oh really? Which ones?
I'm a Jazz fan, and lived in the Provo area for almost a decade--I would not characterize my friends that are Jazz fans as racist, but there have been altercations with players (such as Westbrook) that suggest the players may see Jazz fans as being more willing to throw out offensive phrases:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/spor ... h-fan.html
I know a lot of Jazz fans as well...they can be quite annoying and more defensive about their team than most, but I don’t know any racist ones either. Of course there does seem to be evidence(altercations with players, and comments I’ve seen on Twitter to players) to show that there are some racist fans...more than other franchises? I’m not sure. I do know there is a significant amount of anti-nba feelings here. A lot of it stemming from the political stuff and the Black Lives Matter stuff that went on this summer.
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Post by Indy » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:33 pm

INFORMER wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:15 pm
3rdside wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:26 am
Ayton needs to watch this 1000 times - he was invisible on offense today. If there would have been one word of advice before the game it would have been no fouls early, 2 fouls in 2 minutes into the game later ..

It's not fair to ask Ayton to be Christian Wood on offense. But yeah, Wood is a stud. Wish we had him.
Ayton and Moore for Wood?

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Post by Indy » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:33 pm

Split T wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:15 pm
jonh wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:44 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 11:32 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 10:46 am
SunsRIt wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:37 am


That’s a bit uncalled for.
Agreed on the generalizing (making it sound like it was all Jazz fans). But, like Boston, Utah fans are renown for this.
Oh really? Which ones?
I'm a Jazz fan, and lived in the Provo area for almost a decade--I would not characterize my friends that are Jazz fans as racist, but there have been altercations with players (such as Westbrook) that suggest the players may see Jazz fans as being more willing to throw out offensive phrases:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/spor ... h-fan.html
I know a lot of Jazz fans as well...they can be quite annoying and more defensive about their team than most, but I don’t know any racist ones either. Of course there does seem to be evidence(altercations with players, and comments I’ve seen on Twitter to players) to show that there are some racist fans...more than other franchises? I’m not sure. I do know there is a significant amount of anti-nba feelings here. A lot of it stemming from the political stuff and the Black Lives Matter stuff that went on this summer.
this.

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Post by INFORMER » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:36 pm

Indy wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:33 pm
INFORMER wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:15 pm
3rdside wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:26 am
Ayton needs to watch this 1000 times - he was invisible on offense today. If there would have been one word of advice before the game it would have been no fouls early, 2 fouls in 2 minutes into the game later ..

It's not fair to ask Ayton to be Christian Wood on offense. But yeah, Wood is a stud. Wish we had him.
Ayton and Moore for Wood?
Houston wouldn't do that.

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Post by Mori Chu » Fri Jan 01, 2021 12:58 pm

The discussion of Jazz fans and racism / homophobia is interesting. But since it's getting pretty explicitly political, let's move any further talk on that topic to the Politics area. Here's a thread you could use, or start a new one.

http://www.phx-suns.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2058

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Post by INFORMER » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:25 pm

ShelC wrote:
Thu Dec 31, 2020 8:35 pm
Clarkson has been outwardly frustrated and that seemed to have rubbed off on O'Neal. Can't push a ref tho so he got a T and O'Neal's swipe looked unnecessarily aggressive which led to a flagrant so they're calling it tight.
Nah, that flagrant upgrade was an awful call.

Clarkson, on the other hand, was done a favor by the ref. They could have tossed him.

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Post by Superbone » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:49 pm

Danimal wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:10 am
carey wrote:
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Danimal wrote:
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Not going to complain too much as it’s always good to beat the jazz and their annoying ass commentators.
Why is it always the opposing team's commentators on the NBATv broadcast? Not as bad as Boston homers but pretty bad.
The Boston guys at least had some comic value as it was like listening to your drunken uncles commentate.

The Utah ones are just awful
Plus, Tommy Heinsohn has passed. RIP
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Post by Superbone » Fri Jan 01, 2021 1:55 pm

ShelC wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:30 am
Ayton, despite the boxscore and some softness on offense, actually played a pretty good game I thought. I think he's done a good job protecting the paint and if he's not blocking shots, it feels like he's changing them just by being solid. Offense is another story as he looks completely out of sorts. Again, I don't think he's a PnR big and has trouble catching the ball on the move with enough coordination and orientation to score the way he needs to. It's almost like Shaq running PnR with Nash. Some bigs don't have the timing or footwork or hands. He's almost never ready to catch the ball or finds himself too far away from the basket or too far underneath when he catches it. He's certainly athletic and coordinated, just not in PnR situations. Gotta figure something out because he looks completely lost and almost dejected offensively. I don't think guys have quit on him by any means but they certainly are frustrated at times. I'm hoping he breaks out of it somehow or Monty schemes a way to get him some offensive to get him going touches. I'd be fine with his middy if he would just take it right away, in rhythm. Just looks like he's thinking too much and trying too hard to make the play in the paint that he's obviously not comfortable with. Take the jumper, take the fadeaway when it's there.
You can't just let him off that easily. He may not be a good pick and roll player now but he needs to put in the work to get better at it. Right now, he and Paul don't have any chemistry but I see that changing as the season goes on and they put in the work together. I'm not giving up already and saying he is what he is at 22 years old. He's got a lot of room to grow.
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Post by INFORMER » Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:00 pm

Ayton had a few good moves on the offensive end against the Jazz. Not all of them went in, but I was glad to see him make/take them.

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Post by Superbone » Fri Jan 01, 2021 2:00 pm

ShelC wrote:
Fri Jan 01, 2021 6:43 am
Man, I hope DA is paying attention and learning from Dario. His positioning here was flawless.
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