Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by Shabazz » Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:02 pm

It’s not entirely surprising. Chris Paul’s teams don’t historically play at a high pace.

We’re also going to have a poor shot profile (% of shots that are in the mid-range), but when we have Booker, Paul and Ayton as our 3 primary options, that’s how it will be.

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by Indy » Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:02 pm

In2ition wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:01 pm
Indy wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:00 pm
Deandre Ayton is leading our team in And1s.
I would hope so. I would expect the number to be even higher though.
He had 15 all of last season.

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Post by In2ition » Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:08 pm

Indy wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:02 pm
In2ition wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:01 pm
Indy wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:00 pm
Deandre Ayton is leading our team in And1s.
I would hope so. I would expect the number to be even higher though.
He had 15 all of last season.
What's it at now? 15 doesn't seem very good for playing 38 games, or for a center.
"30 wins would be an extremely disappointing season" yeah, I said it and I mean it.

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by In2ition » Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:09 pm

That Booker stat...boy he hasn't started off hot at all. He's got to get that under control.
"30 wins would be an extremely disappointing season" yeah, I said it and I mean it.

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by Superbone » Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:47 pm

In2ition wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:01 pm
Indy wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:00 pm
Deandre Ayton is leading our team in And1s.
I would hope so. I would expect the number to be even higher though.
It's a great start though!
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Post by Split T » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:02 pm

Split: I would trade DA for SGA right now(11-24-2020)

Cap: I wouldn’t. Somebody remember to check this post in five years and see which of us looks the fool.

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by O_Gardino » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:22 pm

What is TPA?
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by Oatmeal » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:23 pm

O_Gardino wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:22 pm
What is TPA?
toilet paper to ass ratio?

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Post by O_Gardino » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:24 pm

Oatmeal wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:23 pm
O_Gardino wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:22 pm
What is TPA?
toilet paper to ass ratio?
Tiny Polish Acrobats?
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Post by Superbone » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:30 pm

Turnovers per assist, ya big dummies! ;)
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by Superbone » Tue Jan 05, 2021 7:32 pm

TPA Model
The concept of total points added (TPA), isn’t particularly complicated. We’re looking at both defensive and offensive effectiveness on a per-possession basis while also incorporating the amount of playing time the contributor in question receives.

At the heart of the theory is this comparison between two hypothetical players:

Player A makes an average team 5 points better per 100 possessions than an average player would in his spot, and he plays 500 possessions.
Player B makes an average team 10 points better per 100 possessions than an average player would in his spot, and he plays 250 possessions.
Player B is more effective on a per-possession basis—twice as effective, in fact. But Player A spends twice as much time on the court. Theoretically, they should have identical values, as they would both add 25 points to an average team.

As such, the formula for TPA is rather simple. It’s broken down into two parts—offensive points added (OPA) and defensive points saved (DPS)—and each is calculated in the same vein.

OPA is derived by adjusting offensive box plus/minus (OBPM) to account for the number of possessions the player in question is present for. Similarly, DPS is derived from a similar adjustment of defensive box plus/minus (DBPM) with that same number of possessions. OBPM and DBPM, both calculated by Basketball-Reference.com, estimate the per-100-possessions value of a player on either end of the court.

Add OPA and DPS together, and you have TPA. A score of zero indicates a player was perfectly average (by no means a bad thing for rookies or lifelong end-of-bench players), while anything positive means they were better than an average-level replacement.

For scores prior to 1972-73, we’re estimating OBPM and DBPM using historical correlations with offensive and defensive win shares per 48 minutes. That data goes all the way back to 1951-52, allowing us to come up with rough estimates for the early legends of the sport. These numbers are by no means perfect, but they can still serve as baselines.
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by Nodack » Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:59 pm

In2ition wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:01 pm
Indy wrote:
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:00 pm
Deandre Ayton is leading our team in And1s.
I would hope so. I would expect the number to be even higher though.
I would hope so too but, that hasn’t been the case at all I don’t believe since we drafted him. To see him do it now gives me warm fuzzies.

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by bajanguy008 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 10:55 pm

SUNS Fan from the Land of Sun, Sea and Sand ;)

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Post by BKinSJC » Wed Jan 06, 2021 11:18 pm

Six of those guys -- all except Saric -- have scored at least 20 points in a game so far this season, too.

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Post by Mori Chu » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:53 am

It's interesting that they draw their cartoon with Cam as our PF and not Crowder.

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by Cap » Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:58 am

Mori Chu wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 12:53 am
It's interesting that they draw their cartoon with Cam as our PF and not Crowder.
The tweet’s about scoring. Those are the top five scorers.

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by Shabazz » Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:55 am

There are a lot of things to like about our team, but one thing really I appreciate is that we don’t have some random shitty swingman like Jake Layman going off on us for 25 point every game.
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by O_Gardino » Thu Jan 07, 2021 7:10 am

Shabazz wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 1:55 am
There are a lot of things to like about our team, but one thing I appreciate is that we don’t have sown random shitty swingman nails Jake Layman going off on us for 25 point every game.
YES
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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by BKinSJC » Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:11 pm

With tonight's San Antonio victory over the Lakers, the Suns are temporarily back in first place in the West - half a game ahead of the two L.A. teams, and then followed by seven teams at exactly 4-4 right now. It's starting off as a bit of a weird season.

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Re: Suns News: Week 3 1/4-1/10

Post by Superbone » Fri Jan 08, 2021 12:13 am

BKinSJC wrote:
Thu Jan 07, 2021 11:11 pm
With tonight's San Antonio victory over the Lakers, the Suns are temporarily back in first place in the West - half a game ahead of the two L.A. teams, and then followed by seven teams at exactly 4-4 right now. It's starting off as a bit of a weird season.
Let's just keep winning. How about that?
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