Suns News: Week 14 3/22-3/28

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This seems good

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Split T wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 8:42 pm


This seems good
Indeed.

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Split T wrote:
Mon Mar 22, 2021 10:07 am
Looks great Virt!
Thanks!

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Mon Mar 22, 2021 7:29 pm


I would take Dieng
So would I.

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SUNS Fan from the Land of Sun, Sea and Sand ;)

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Would you do Ayton/Jalen/Carter for Gordon/Birch?

Then add a buyout big(McGee, Drummond, Dieng, Whiteside)

Paul, Payne, Moore
Booker, Nader, Galloway
Bridges, Johnson, Craig
Gordon, Crowder, Kaminsky
Saric, Birch, Buyout

Gordon is a more reliable 3rd option offensively. I think he’d be more efficient here. He’s got the skills to be a point-5 guy. And while we’d need to add size, Gordon is pretty good defensively. We could potentially close with him at the 5.

Probably need a 3rd team though as Ayton/Vuc doesn’t really work for Orlando.

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Split T wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:23 am
Would you do Ayton/Jalen/Carter for Gordon/Birch?

Then add a buyout big(McGee, Drummond, Dieng, Whiteside)

Paul, Payne, Moore
Booker, Nader, Galloway
Bridges, Johnson, Craig
Gordon, Crowder, Kaminsky
Saric, Birch, Buyout

Gordon is a more reliable 3rd option offensively. I think he’d be more efficient here. He’s got the skills to be a point-5 guy. And while we’d need to add size, Gordon is pretty good defensively. We could potentially close with him at the 5.

Probably need a 3rd team though as Ayton/Vuc doesn’t really work for Orlando.
Make it bigger and get Vuc along with it. I just don't feel good about starting Dario or using him for extended minutes.

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I’m not sure we have the contracts to do that. Maybe as two separate trades with Saric/Crowder/Moore being moved for Vuc

Edit: nvm, works if you get rid of Birch

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ygcollk2

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Split T wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:23 am
Would you do Ayton/Jalen/Carter for Gordon/Birch?

Then add a buyout big(McGee, Drummond, Dieng, Whiteside)

Paul, Payne, Moore
Booker, Nader, Galloway
Bridges, Johnson, Craig
Gordon, Crowder, Kaminsky
Saric, Birch, Buyout

Gordon is a more reliable 3rd option offensively. I think he’d be more efficient here. He’s got the skills to be a point-5 guy. And while we’d need to add size, Gordon is pretty good defensively. We could potentially close with him at the 5.

Probably need a 3rd team though as Ayton/Vuc doesn’t really work for Orlando.
Absolutely not. Gordon is highly overrated right now. We turned down AG for Oubre last season.

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bajanguy008 wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:02 am
Look at Ayton move in this clip. He glides. He’s so much more lumbering and lead-footed now.

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I wouldn't trade Ayton for Aaron Gordon. No way. I like Gordon in general, and his 3-point shooting this year is pretty impressive (40%!), but I think the shooting is an aberration. He still shoots 62% from the free throw line, and outside of this season he has mostly been closer to 30% from 3. I don't think I trust him as an accurate shooter in our offense. I'm not sure he is a significant upgrade over the other guys we currently play at PF, and I'd rather have our current PFs + Ayton starting at the 5 than Gordon starting at the 4 and a big hole at center.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/pl ... oaa01.html

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Pass on Gordon

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Not bad

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Shabazz wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:59 am
bajanguy008 wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 8:02 am
Look at Ayton move in this clip. He glides. He’s so much more lumbering and lead-footed now.
Ayton glides when he wants and is lumbering when he’s tired and lazy. He was gliding in the second half of the lakers game this weekend

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That plot in your tweet is really interesting. We are one of the most "young and good" teams in the NBA.

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My concern is that while we're young and have talent, we're reliant on a 35 year old Chris Paul. So in our case that chart is a little deceptive.

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It is super interesting that no team that plays at an average age of 28 or above is not in contention for a championship this year.

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ShelC wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:31 pm
My concern is that while we're young and have talent, we're reliant on a 35 year old Chris Paul. So in our case that chart is a little deceptive.
It is weighted by how many minutes each person plays, so I don't think it is that deceptive.

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Split T wrote:
Tue Mar 23, 2021 10:23 am
Would you do Ayton/Jalen/Carter for Gordon/Birch?

Then add a buyout big(McGee, Drummond, Dieng, Whiteside)

Paul, Payne, Moore
Booker, Nader, Galloway
Bridges, Johnson, Craig
Gordon, Crowder, Kaminsky
Saric, Birch, Buyout

Gordon is a more reliable 3rd option offensively. I think he’d be more efficient here. He’s got the skills to be a point-5 guy. And while we’d need to add size, Gordon is pretty good defensively. We could potentially close with him at the 5.

Probably need a 3rd team though as Ayton/Vuc doesn’t really work for Orlando.
Split, I think you’re in too much of a rush to deal Ayton. We are under no obligation to extend him this summer and can kick the can on this discussion for another year.

I know we want to maximize the CP window, but that means we should only trade DA for a package that definitely takes us up a level right now, even if it hurts our future. Nance & McGee, Jarrett Allen, Aaron Gordon - these are flawed role players who arguably make us worse in the present, which trumps any cap gains we net in 2 years.

John Collins + Capela for Ayton/Smith is interesting and probably the bar.

KAT is a yes for me, dawg.

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