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You are under-rating Simmons. Jason Kidd was known as Ason Kidd and he's in the Hall. Through his first 4 years, Simmons is shooting much better than Kidd, scoring more on same FGAs, out rebounding, sames stocks, and getting just 1 less assist per game. He can also guard almost anyone.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:19 pmSo they’re assuming Ball will average better than 26/5/5 on 50% shooting in the future? FOH. Continue to disrespect Book. It’s ridiculous. Most of these players will never touch the efficiency Book has shown.
Not only does Book belong at or near the top of this list, he should be in the top 5 of MVP voting as well. The big market/east coast bias is ridiculous.
The fact that we’re STILL talking about Ben Simmons “potential” is also ridiculous. Dude can’t shoot, won’t shoot, will never shoot. How many years in the league until we finally come to that realization? He doesn’t belong in the top 10 really.
Yawn. Coming from the guy that has been blasting the Suns trading a bunch of average people for Jason Kidd as a horrible trade.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:27 pmYou are under-rating Simmons. Jason Kidd was known as Ason Kidd and he's in the Hall. Through his first 4 years, Simmons is shooting much better than Kidd, scoring more on same FGAs, out rebounding, sames stocks, and getting just 1 less assist per game. He can also guard almost anyone.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:19 pmSo they’re assuming Ball will average better than 26/5/5 on 50% shooting in the future? FOH. Continue to disrespect Book. It’s ridiculous. Most of these players will never touch the efficiency Book has shown.
Not only does Book belong at or near the top of this list, he should be in the top 5 of MVP voting as well. The big market/east coast bias is ridiculous.
The fact that we’re STILL talking about Ben Simmons “potential” is also ridiculous. Dude can’t shoot, won’t shoot, will never shoot. How many years in the league until we finally come to that realization? He doesn’t belong in the top 10 really.
Nope.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:23 pmSimmons is the best defender in that top 10 list. He definitely deserves to be in there.
Sure. Wake me up when he approaches 50% from the field as a first option on a team that is second best in the league. Then we can say his potential has REACHED a DBook reality, who is also only 24 years old and still hasn’t reached his own potential. Then he needs to exceed that. Then we can talk about Lamelo Ball as one of the all time greats essentially.
I guess so...the allure of potential is always very easy to fall for. Is there a greater than 1% chance that Ball ends up better than Booker? Of course, but I wouldn’t put those chances at greater than 50%. Still a ways for him to go and lots of variables. Players don’t always develop on the same timeline. They’re rating Ball under an expectation that he’ll make another leap next year...if he doesn’t, you’ll see him plummet in the rankings. Look at a guy like Ja, he’s 15th this year...I don’t know what he was last year, but I imagine higher than 15. Trae is 16th...he was a lot higher last year, but neither of those guys made leaps this year.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:19 pmSo they’re assuming Ball will average better than 26/5/5 on 50% shooting in the future? FOH. Continue to disrespect Book. It’s ridiculous. Most of these players will never touch the efficiency Book has shown.
Crazy.
I don't think it was spite as much as "if Morey thinks this is a good deal for him, then we must be getting screwed." Just scared to make the call and look stupid down the line. Instead they get to look stupid immediate and down the line.
1) Never said the trade was horrible, just that it didn't raise our team's performance (1st round exists) and got us the 'malaise' speech from Jerry.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:40 pmYawn. Coming from the guy that has been blasting the Suns trading a bunch of average people for Jason Kidd as a horrible trade.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:27 pmYou are under-rating Simmons. Jason Kidd was known as Ason Kidd and he's in the Hall. Through his first 4 years, Simmons is shooting much better than Kidd, scoring more on same FGAs, out rebounding, sames stocks, and getting just 1 less assist per game. He can also guard almost anyone.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:19 pmSo they’re assuming Ball will average better than 26/5/5 on 50% shooting in the future? FOH. Continue to disrespect Book. It’s ridiculous. Most of these players will never touch the efficiency Book has shown.
Not only does Book belong at or near the top of this list, he should be in the top 5 of MVP voting as well. The big market/east coast bias is ridiculous.
The fact that we’re STILL talking about Ben Simmons “potential” is also ridiculous. Dude can’t shoot, won’t shoot, will never shoot. How many years in the league until we finally come to that realization? He doesn’t belong in the top 10 really.
Ben Simmons is the only player on that list that can’t be a first or second option on a team. He will hamstring your salary cap and if he is a max player on a team then I GuaranRasheed Wallace you that you’re bound to get bounced out of the playoffs every single year.
If you can’t score, you can’t be top player. Just can’t. Different era.
It was criminal to come away from trading a top-5 guy without a single good young asset to show for it. Colossally stupid trade.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:13 pmI don't think it was spite as much as "if Morey thinks this is a good deal for him, then we must be getting screwed." Just scared to make the call and look stupid down the line. Instead they get to look stupid immediate and down the line.
1) You just hate Ason Kidd, and it blinds your view here. It’s not Ason’s fault that they didn’t surround him with enough talent. Those teams were so average. He made the finals with NJ.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:25 pm1) Never said the trade was horrible, just that it didn't raise our team's performance (1st round exists) and got us the 'malaise' speech from Jerry.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:40 pmYawn. Coming from the guy that has been blasting the Suns trading a bunch of average people for Jason Kidd as a horrible trade.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:27 pmYou are under-rating Simmons. Jason Kidd was known as Ason Kidd and he's in the Hall. Through his first 4 years, Simmons is shooting much better than Kidd, scoring more on same FGAs, out rebounding, sames stocks, and getting just 1 less assist per game. He can also guard almost anyone.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:19 pmSo they’re assuming Ball will average better than 26/5/5 on 50% shooting in the future? FOH. Continue to disrespect Book. It’s ridiculous. Most of these players will never touch the efficiency Book has shown.
Not only does Book belong at or near the top of this list, he should be in the top 5 of MVP voting as well. The big market/east coast bias is ridiculous.
The fact that we’re STILL talking about Ben Simmons “potential” is also ridiculous. Dude can’t shoot, won’t shoot, will never shoot. How many years in the league until we finally come to that realization? He doesn’t belong in the top 10 really.
Ben Simmons is the only player on that list that can’t be a first or second option on a team. He will hamstring your salary cap and if he is a max player on a team then I GuaranRasheed Wallace you that you’re bound to get bounced out of the playoffs every single year.
If you can’t score, you can’t be top player. Just can’t. Different era.
2) You don't have to be a #1/#2 option on offense to be a top 10 player under 25.
3) Bam and Ball aren't #1/#2 options either.
Might be the worst trade in history.Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:06 pmIt was criminal to come away from trading a top-5 guy without a single good young asset to show for it. Colossally stupid trade.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:13 pmI don't think it was spite as much as "if Morey thinks this is a good deal for him, then we must be getting screwed." Just scared to make the call and look stupid down the line. Instead they get to look stupid immediate and down the line.
Why not just keep Allen and LeVert? Place a preliminary call to Oladipo’s agent and see if he’s interested in re-signing. They completely misjudge the market if they wanted to flip him.
Awful.
Lance Blanks wouldn’t fuck that trade with Ryan McDonough’s dick.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:07 pmMight be the worst trade in history.Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:06 pmIt was criminal to come away from trading a top-5 guy without a single good young asset to show for it. Colossally stupid trade.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:13 pmI don't think it was spite as much as "if Morey thinks this is a good deal for him, then we must be getting screwed." Just scared to make the call and look stupid down the line. Instead they get to look stupid immediate and down the line.
Why not just keep Allen and LeVert? Place a preliminary call to Oladipo’s agent and see if he’s interested in re-signing. They completely misjudge the market if they wanted to flip him.
Awful.
Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:39 pmLance Blanks wouldn’t fuck that trade with Ryan McDonough’s dick.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:07 pmMight be the worst trade in history.Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:06 pmIt was criminal to come away from trading a top-5 guy without a single good young asset to show for it. Colossally stupid trade.
Why not just keep Allen and LeVert? Place a preliminary call to Oladipo’s agent and see if he’s interested in re-signing. They completely misjudge the market if they wanted to flip him.
Awful.
(To put it nicely)
Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:39 pmLance Blanks wouldn’t fuck that trade with Ryan McDonough’s dick.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:07 pmMight be the worst trade in history.Shabazz wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 8:06 pmIt was criminal to come away from trading a top-5 guy without a single good young asset to show for it. Colossally stupid trade.
Why not just keep Allen and LeVert? Place a preliminary call to Oladipo’s agent and see if he’s interested in re-signing. They completely misjudge the market if they wanted to flip him.
Awful.
(To put it nicely)
I agree with all of that. The list wasn't about now though, it was about future potential.specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 4:44 pmSure. Wake me up when he approaches 50% from the field as a first option on a team that is second best in the league. Then we can say his potential has REACHED a DBook reality, who is also only 24 years old and still hasn’t reached his own potential. Then he needs to exceed that. Then we can talk about Lamelo Ball as one of the all time greats essentially.
Book is an All-Star. He’s a top 5 MVP candidate this year, not in the future, NOW. This is a joke. Complete joke.