Re: The 2021 Suns Offseason
Posted: Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:11 pm
Everyone loves extending Shamet just based on one preseason with the Suns, but one playoff run is not enough to pay Ayton?
Maybe it's his agent and other folks in his ear. They all want a slice of the pie and he's a young impressionable guy. How did we all act when we were in our early 20s?Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:26 pmUnfortunately, it sounds to me that Ayton is obsessed with getting paid the max and the max only. He's not interested in getting paid commensurately with his value. He's repeatedly said he doesn't like his role. I really don't think he wants to be a center. He'd prefer to be a PF. But not a PF that is aggressive taking the ball to the hoop. That just doesn't jive.
Oh, yeah. Who knows. I'm sure he's getting it from all sides. I can't imagine being in that position at so young an age. It can't be easy. I'm sure you have a lot of people feeding your ego.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:26 pmMaybe it's his agent and other folks in his ear. They all want a slice of the pie and he's a young impressionable guy. How did we all act when we were in our early 20s?Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:26 pmUnfortunately, it sounds to me that Ayton is obsessed with getting paid the max and the max only. He's not interested in getting paid commensurately with his value. He's repeatedly said he doesn't like his role. I really don't think he wants to be a center. He'd prefer to be a PF. But not a PF that is aggressive taking the ball to the hoop. That just doesn't jive.
I’m sure Ayton is welcome to Shamet’s $. MPJ was literally Ayton’s only argument. The other 3 max players in his class are undoubtedly the best player on their teams. 2 months of basketball doesn’t erase the fact he kept the whole team out of the playoffs in 2020 because he was lazy and tried to cheat. Part of me thinks JJ sees more value in having Ayton stay motivated. Don’t act like there isn’t a good chance Ayton is the next Erick Dampier.
He did not try to cheat due to laziness. He took a diuretic to cover up marijuana. There is no evidence he ever took PEDs.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:58 pmI’m sure Ayton is welcome to Shamet’s $. MPJ was literally Ayton’s only argument. The other 3 max players in his class are undoubtedly the best player on their teams. 2 months of basketball doesn’t erase the fact he kept the whole team out of the playoffs in 2020 because he was lazy and tried to cheat. Part of me thinks JJ sees more value in having Ayton stay motivated. Don’t act like there isn’t a good chance Ayton is the next Erick Dampier.
people regularly talk about his conditioning not being up to par.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:19 pmHe did not try to cheat due to laziness. He took a diuretic to cover up marijuana. There is no evidence he ever took PEDs.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:58 pmI’m sure Ayton is welcome to Shamet’s $. MPJ was literally Ayton’s only argument. The other 3 max players in his class are undoubtedly the best player on their teams. 2 months of basketball doesn’t erase the fact he kept the whole team out of the playoffs in 2020 because he was lazy and tried to cheat. Part of me thinks JJ sees more value in having Ayton stay motivated. Don’t act like there isn’t a good chance Ayton is the next Erick Dampier.
And no, there is no chance Ayton is the next Erick Dampier. Especially since Dampier was never as good as Ayton has been already.
Everyone who knows Ayton says that he has an incredible work ethic, is very coachable, and is a hard worker. Nobody has accused him of being lazy. That's nonsense.
The narrative around Ayton is he grew into basketball playing with the idea that he would be a dominant player and become a max player. But that he sort of had a middling work ethic. CP3 rode his ass hard last year. There is ambiguity around whether it was PEDs vs marijuana behind his diuretic use. Either way it cost his whole team to lose out on the opportunity to make the playoffs. I’m sure he is a sweet kid and good person. But hsi work ethic has been in question as evidenced by Monty making it a public point that he expected Ayton to be in playing shape by training camp. You think Monty needed to say that about anybody else in the media? Ayton is a young man who for most of his rookie contract hanging empty stats and flashes of ability to being a potential all defensive team player with no go to move. I hope that he plays great this year and earns his max deal.Indy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:31 pmpeople regularly talk about his conditioning not being up to par.JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:19 pmHe did not try to cheat due to laziness. He took a diuretic to cover up marijuana. There is no evidence he ever took PEDs.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:58 pmI’m sure Ayton is welcome to Shamet’s $. MPJ was literally Ayton’s only argument. The other 3 max players in his class are undoubtedly the best player on their teams. 2 months of basketball doesn’t erase the fact he kept the whole team out of the playoffs in 2020 because he was lazy and tried to cheat. Part of me thinks JJ sees more value in having Ayton stay motivated. Don’t act like there isn’t a good chance Ayton is the next Erick Dampier.
And no, there is no chance Ayton is the next Erick Dampier. Especially since Dampier was never as good as Ayton has been already.
Everyone who knows Ayton says that he has an incredible work ethic, is very coachable, and is a hard worker. Nobody has accused him of being lazy. That's nonsense.
What I am worried about is that Ayton has the same idiot agent that cost Kelly Oubre a boatload of cash.Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:44 pmOh, yeah. Who knows. I'm sure he's getting it from all sides. I can't imagine being in that position at so young an age. It can't be easy. I'm sure you have a lot of people feeding your ego.AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:26 pmMaybe it's his agent and other folks in his ear. They all want a slice of the pie and he's a young impressionable guy. How did we all act when we were in our early 20s?Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:26 pmUnfortunately, it sounds to me that Ayton is obsessed with getting paid the max and the max only. He's not interested in getting paid commensurately with his value. He's repeatedly said he doesn't like his role. I really don't think he wants to be a center. He'd prefer to be a PF. But not a PF that is aggressive taking the ball to the hoop. That just doesn't jive.
I would start hunting for a deal early into the season for Ayton.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:33 amIf the Suns end up with Jokic or Giannis, I wouldn't mind. But Ayton is no Oubre.
Saw on Twitter that Ayton, Saric, and Smith is enough salary to get KAT. That’s my dream scenario still. Think this team jumps to clear western favorites with that deal, assuming no other rotation pieces go out. Only a healthy Nets team would I consider better.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:01 pmI would start hunting for a deal early into the season for Ayton.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:33 amIf the Suns end up with Jokic or Giannis, I wouldn't mind. But Ayton is no Oubre.
That would be asking SO much of Bridges. He already has to guard the best guy (or two guys) 1-3, then we would have nobody back there for the 4/5s or when the smaller guys get into the paint. We might have our offense go from 7th/8th to 1st/2nd, but our defense would go from 7th to 20th.Split T wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:41 pmSaw on Twitter that Ayton, Saric, and Smith is enough salary to get KAT. That’s my dream scenario still. Think this team jumps to clear western favorites with that deal, assuming no other rotation pieces go out. Only a healthy Nets team would I consider better.Drewsprocket wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 1:01 pmI would start hunting for a deal early into the season for Ayton.virtual9mm wrote: ↑Tue Oct 19, 2021 11:33 amIf the Suns end up with Jokic or Giannis, I wouldn't mind. But Ayton is no Oubre.