Re: Around the League: Week 4 (11/7 - 11/13)
Posted: Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:06 am
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Fools!bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 3:06 amThe brilliance here is that statement sounds like something Oubre would say so the double meaning is well played
I read that the on/off numbers for Bagley were pretty brutal, that he was hurting them a lot when he was out on the floor. I admit that I haven't watched him or the Kings closely so I don't really know for sure. But that's a team that desperately needs talented bigs, so if he were bringing that to the floor with him, you'd think he would be playing.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:14 amWalton is worse. I’m not a huge Bagley guy, but the fact that they’re not playing him is bogus. Why is he even on the team? He’s had his struggles but he’s an insanely talented player. Cut him loose and let him play somewhere. I’m not a fan of players demanding trades, but I think teams holding players hostage is worse. He’s in a contract year, if you’re not going to play him, let him go play for his next deal.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:02 pmPicking a side between Luke Walton and Marvin Bagley is like eating soup with a fork.
He was actually a positive last year for them.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:42 amI read that the on/off numbers for Bagley were pretty brutal, that he was hurting them a lot when he was out on the floor. I admit that I haven't watched him or the Kings closely so I don't really know for sure. But that's a team that desperately needs talented bigs, so if he were bringing that to the floor with him, you'd think he would be playing.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 12:14 amWalton is worse. I’m not a huge Bagley guy, but the fact that they’re not playing him is bogus. Why is he even on the team? He’s had his struggles but he’s an insanely talented player. Cut him loose and let him play somewhere. I’m not a fan of players demanding trades, but I think teams holding players hostage is worse. He’s in a contract year, if you’re not going to play him, let him go play for his next deal.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:02 pmPicking a side between Luke Walton and Marvin Bagley is like eating soup with a fork.
Indeed.The Bobster wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:14 pmIf Indiana's lead over Utah holds up the Suns will have the second best record in the West and the fourth best record in the NBA.
So a pretty quick recovery from that 1-3 start.
I don’t really love him all that much, just think it’s crazy they aren’t playing him or that they didn’t trade him. They’ve essentially admitted he’s worthless, clearly they won’t bring him back next year and now he has zero trade value. Major mismanagement there after making a colossal mistake drafting him 2nd in a loaded draft.pickle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:33 pmI really don't understand why you love Bagley so much Split. He hasn't really helped them win, and if I'm a Kings fan, I'd applaud Walton for making the tough decision to sit the 2nd overall pick in favor of a 5 mil a year backup (now a 55 million dollar man) who plays harder, shows up on defense, and brings more to the table overall.
I really haven't followed the advanced stats on Bagley much, but a quick look on bb-reference just now shows that other than his rookie year he's been a fairly negative impact on the court by all the advanced metrics. Add on top of it his pouting, and I'm not surprised at all that he's sitting.
I read that they looked into trading him but didn't... assuming that they didn't get anything worth pulling the trigger for.
I understand your points, but those are the very reasons why I don't want to touch him for the Suns. One would assume that teams are rational and don't want to waste an asset willy nilly. So I assume that while Bagley might have put up numbers, he might have done things on the court that were not conducive to winning, to the point where the team would rather play Harkless (better defender who doesn't demand touches) or Len (better rim protector who doesn't demand touches) over developing him. It could be that the organization was pushing very hard for the playoffs and they sacrificed his development over one or two shorter term wins, but he did pout pretty heavily and the noise spilled outside the locker room, which as a casual follow of the Kings raises an alarm for me. I'd rather not touch someone who has limited upside but has a very realistic chance to derail the chemistry of our team.Split T wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 10:48 pmI don’t really love him all that much, just think it’s crazy they aren’t playing him or that they didn’t trade him. They’ve essentially admitted he’s worthless, clearly they won’t bring him back next year and now he has zero trade value. Major mismanagement there after making a colossal mistake drafting him 2nd in a loaded draft.pickle wrote: ↑Thu Nov 11, 2021 7:33 pmI really don't understand why you love Bagley so much Split. He hasn't really helped them win, and if I'm a Kings fan, I'd applaud Walton for making the tough decision to sit the 2nd overall pick in favor of a 5 mil a year backup (now a 55 million dollar man) who plays harder, shows up on defense, and brings more to the table overall.
I really haven't followed the advanced stats on Bagley much, but a quick look on bb-reference just now shows that other than his rookie year he's been a fairly negative impact on the court by all the advanced metrics. Add on top of it his pouting, and I'm not surprised at all that he's sitting.
I read that they looked into trading him but didn't... assuming that they didn't get anything worth pulling the trigger for.
And I’d be pissed if I was him. I have no problems with Holmes taking his spot, Holmes is clearly better, I love Holmes, but Mo Harkless? Tristan Thompson? Alex Len? Are those guys really helping you? Would you take Bagley’s minutes away to play them? Not me
Wait until you google the new guy.bajanguy008 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 12, 2021 1:00 pmI honestly didn't read the story on Oshley so clueless but something went down or is going down.....