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Zion Williamson is in the running ... has played in only 85 of 170 possible games.
Window is open again ... blue skies ahead?

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AmareIsGod wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:41 am
Finish them!
I remember very well the year that LeBron was so broken that he just threw the ball off the back of the backboard for a violation in frustration when inbounding the ball from the baseline. More of that please.
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LazarusLong wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:26 pm
Zion Williamson is in the running ... has played in only 85 of 170 possible games.
Oh, I meant ones that actually play. Even when AD isn't injured, he plays like he is.

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Split T wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 3:52 pm
The Bobster wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:49 pm
3rdside wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 2:34 pm
Is there a more overrated player than Westbrook ..
Carmelo?
Ehh, no one has thought he’s that good for a long time. If anything he’s underrated now. Most people think he’s garbage and not worth a roster spot. He clearly is and has proven that this year shooting over 40% from 3.
He was that for a period but has since got his act together starting in Portland.
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After he finally realised his version of hero ball wasn’t good for anyone.

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Indy wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:51 pm
Split T wrote:
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ShelC wrote:
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I'd say Anthony Davis at this point.
I’m starting to think this too. Sure he’s a top 10 guy when he’s healthy and playing at his best, but that just almost never happens anymore. His offense is fine for a big, but he’s taken a major step back on defense. He hasn’t been that good this year and he’s simply just never healthy. He’s a borderline TJ Warren in that sense(ok not quite that)
There should be an award like the Razzie for the guy with the biggest gap between talent and on-court production.
Who was the guy we had that supposedly shot lights out in practice but was horrible in games? He lasted for a cup of coffee in the NBA.
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LazarusLong wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:26 pm
Zion Williamson is in the running ... has played in only 85 of 170 possible games.
I remember when I thought we really missed out by not getting our #1 pick the year Zion came out. I am SO glad we have Ayton over him.
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Superbone wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 5:50 pm
Indy wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 4:51 pm
Split T wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 3:54 pm
ShelC wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 3:29 pm
I'd say Anthony Davis at this point.
I’m starting to think this too. Sure he’s a top 10 guy when he’s healthy and playing at his best, but that just almost never happens anymore. His offense is fine for a big, but he’s taken a major step back on defense. He hasn’t been that good this year and he’s simply just never healthy. He’s a borderline TJ Warren in that sense(ok not quite that)
There should be an award like the Razzie for the guy with the biggest gap between talent and on-court production.
Who was the guy we had that supposedly shot lights out in practice but was horrible in games? He lasted for a cup of coffee in the NBA.
Dan Langhi, methinks ...
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I'm still holding onto Zion because I think a huge part of the problem is that he's playing for the Pelicans. I think we'd have seen a much different start to his career if he were drafted by a different franchise.

That's not to say he's not without issues of his own making. I just want to see how he performs within the structure of a real NBA franchise before writing him off as a bust.
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:19 pm
I'm still holding onto Zion because I think a huge part of the problem is that he's playing for the Pelicans. I think we'd have seen a much different start to his career if he were drafted by a different franchise.

That's not to say he's not without issues of his own making. I just want to see how he performs within the structure of a real NBA franchise before writing him off as a bust.
So, are you ready to trade Ayton straight across?
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Superbone wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:25 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:19 pm
I'm still holding onto Zion because I think a huge part of the problem is that he's playing for the Pelicans. I think we'd have seen a much different start to his career if he were drafted by a different franchise.

That's not to say he's not without issues of his own making. I just want to see how he performs within the structure of a real NBA franchise before writing him off as a bust.
So, are you ready to trade Ayton straight across?
Not now because Zion's health is a complete mystery. If we're talking 2nd year Ayton for rookie Zion, yeah, I'd probably make that swap.
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:34 pm
Superbone wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:25 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:19 pm
I'm still holding onto Zion because I think a huge part of the problem is that he's playing for the Pelicans. I think we'd have seen a much different start to his career if he were drafted by a different franchise.

That's not to say he's not without issues of his own making. I just want to see how he performs within the structure of a real NBA franchise before writing him off as a bust.
So, are you ready to trade Ayton straight across?
Not now because Zion's health is a complete mystery. If we're talking 2nd year Ayton for rookie Zion, yeah, I'd probably make that swap.
Phew! Good thing that didn't happen. I'll pass on the mystery prize and take the known commodity.
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Superbone wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 7:13 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:34 pm
Superbone wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:25 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 6:19 pm
I'm still holding onto Zion because I think a huge part of the problem is that he's playing for the Pelicans. I think we'd have seen a much different start to his career if he were drafted by a different franchise.

That's not to say he's not without issues of his own making. I just want to see how he performs within the structure of a real NBA franchise before writing him off as a bust.
So, are you ready to trade Ayton straight across?
Not now because Zion's health is a complete mystery. If we're talking 2nd year Ayton for rookie Zion, yeah, I'd probably make that swap.
Phew! Good thing that didn't happen. I'll pass on the mystery prize and take the known commodity.
They were both mystery prizes two seasons prior.

Don’t forget that Zion was lighting up the league a year ago.
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Mori Chu wrote:
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And LeBron thought it was bad in Cleveland..

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Looks like the team left its 3pt shot in Arizona.

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3rdside wrote:
Tue Dec 21, 2021 3:33 pm
With that said, the following quantitative approach to assessing a playmakers ability suggests he's not only not overrated, he's one of the best.

https://fansided.com/2017/08/11/nylon-c ... box-score/

With the Reddit conversation here:




It must surely be a case of lies, damned lies and statistics again as, for me, playmaking must be related to a team's performance (making everyone on the team better, reflected by a higher than expected team W-L record), and in Westbrook's best playmaking year OKC finished 48-34 only and were knocked out in the first round.

Compare that to Kidd's seasons in NJ where he took his team to the finals, and Kidd is not even on that list.
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Sometimes it's as simple as putting the ball in the basket.
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Ayton & McGee - 8/9 FG - 89%
Everybody else - 7/29 - 24%

Just make some damn shots.
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Getting a little chippy out there.
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