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Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:29 pm
by AmareIsGod
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:01 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:29 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:25 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:48 pm
We need a better guard off the bench than Shampayne. To suggest we don’t is ridiculous.
Of course we do. But our bench is not why we lost.
No? Our lack of bench didn't leave to a fully diminished and depleted guard rotation come playoffs this past season? Having to lean so much on PG3 and Booker all season because Payne, Shamet and everyone behind them couldn't give a lick of performance consistently didn't have a huge factor in why we lost?
I'd expect you of all people to see how much of a problem it was and how it led to a broken down back court late season and playoffs.
37 year old Chris Paul has some amazing games. Like, all-time great games. His 14/14 against NO was spectacular. He will easily be a first ballot HOF player. And even at 37 years old, he was a top 20 player in the league last year.
But you can't rely on him as your 2nd best player in the playoffs if you hope to win a championship.
Having an upgrade to your bench PG or your bench combo guard isn't going to make Chris Paul be more durable in the playoffs.
What is going to make Chris Paul more durable in the playoffs is NOT needing Chris Paul to be a top 2 player in the playoffs.
Go back and watch that Dallas series and tell me that if we just had Shamet with a 55% eFG instead of 52% we would have won and gone on to beat the Warriors and the Celtics. Even if Cam Payne was the unrealistic Cam Payne of the 2021 playoffs, we weren't beating Golden State and Boston.
Improving on your 9th and 10th guys is not how you get to be great when your #2 is 37 and under 6 feet.
Now that we gave Ayton the big boy money, let's hope he can be a reliable #2 by that point. Requires coach to figure out the best way to implement him, of course.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:34 pm
by Split T
Ayton stepping up into stardom is really the only way I see the ceiling of this team rising. I mean Mikal/CamJ, or really anyone stepping up to stardom could do it, but I just don’t see that happening with them. I hoped Mikal could be a Middleton like offensive player, but at this point I don’t think that’s happening. CamJ has more offensive potential to unlock, but I also don’t see stardom unless it’s in a Klay Thompson like way, but even then he isn’t the defender Klay is.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:03 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Counting on Ayton to be a superstar is a fools errand and is why James Jones was angling to use him as bait for an actual superstar.
Without adding someone to truly overtake Paul as the #2 guy on the team, the Suns are now in the Utah Jazz zone of good but not great.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:26 pm
by Indy
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 2:29 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 1:01 pm
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:29 am
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:25 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 10:48 pm
We need a better guard off the bench than Shampayne. To suggest we don’t is ridiculous.
Of course we do. But our bench is not why we lost.
No? Our lack of bench didn't leave to a fully diminished and depleted guard rotation come playoffs this past season? Having to lean so much on PG3 and Booker all season because Payne, Shamet and everyone behind them couldn't give a lick of performance consistently didn't have a huge factor in why we lost?
I'd expect you of all people to see how much of a problem it was and how it led to a broken down back court late season and playoffs.
37 year old Chris Paul has some amazing games. Like, all-time great games. His 14/14 against NO was spectacular. He will easily be a first ballot HOF player. And even at 37 years old, he was a top 20 player in the league last year.
But you can't rely on him as your 2nd best player in the playoffs if you hope to win a championship.
Having an upgrade to your bench PG or your bench combo guard isn't going to make Chris Paul be more durable in the playoffs.
What is going to make Chris Paul more durable in the playoffs is NOT needing Chris Paul to be a top 2 player in the playoffs.
Go back and watch that Dallas series and tell me that if we just had Shamet with a 55% eFG instead of 52% we would have won and gone on to beat the Warriors and the Celtics. Even if Cam Payne was the unrealistic Cam Payne of the 2021 playoffs, we weren't beating Golden State and Boston.
Improving on your 9th and 10th guys is not how you get to be great when your #2 is 37 and under 6 feet.
Now that we gave Ayton the big boy money, let's hope he can be a reliable #2 by that point. Requires coach to figure out the best way to implement him, of course.
He isn't a reliable #3 on a championship team, so I don't see how he could be a reliable 2. He can't even create for himself, much less others.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:27 pm
by Indy
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:03 pm
Counting on Ayton to be a superstar is a fools errand and is why James Jones was angling to use him as bait for an actual superstar.
Without adding someone to truly overtake Paul as the #2 guy on the team, the Suns are now in the Utah Jazz zone of good but not great.
I agree with all of that except that I think they are better at pretty much every position (even before the Jazz traded Rudy).
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:32 pm
by Flagrant Fowl
Indy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:27 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:03 pm
Counting on Ayton to be a superstar is a fools errand and is why James Jones was angling to use him as bait for an actual superstar.
Without adding someone to truly overtake Paul as the #2 guy on the team, the Suns are now in the Utah Jazz zone of good but not great.
I agree with all of that except that I think they are better at pretty much every position (even before the Jazz traded Rudy).
I'm not making a player-for-player comparison, but one relative to the rest of the teams in the league.
The sum of the Suns parts cannot overcome a team with 2 or 3 superstars in a playoff series.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:34 pm
by Split T
Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:03 pm
Counting on Ayton to be a superstar is a fools errand and is why James Jones was angling to use him as bait for an actual superstar.
Without adding someone to truly overtake Paul as the #2 guy on the team, the Suns are now in the Utah Jazz zone of good but not great.
Ya I wouldn’t count on it at all, just the only way I see this current roster elevating to another level.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:47 am
by Superbone
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:58 am
by JeremyG
It's crazy that a team could get him on October 2 and only pay him $22 million this season.
I wonder if the October 1 payment date will motivate the Nets to trade him before then.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:35 pm
by Superbone
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:25 am
by Flagrant Fowl
Bogut is a bogan, so of course he'd say something like that.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:53 pm
by Mori Chu
That's actually a hilarious and savage idea.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:24 pm
by AbeVroman
I'm going to put this here again since seems Mitchell trade talk picking up. This just seems to make sense if we're willing to give up our guys.
Doesn't the simplest thing seem like the below, if we're willing to give up Mikal and Cam? I've seen very little about something like this....has Brooklyn or Utah said no to this? Or Suns won't do it?? We need to make it happen - swing for the fences. 4 years of KD and Booker is not something to pass up!
Utah - Mikal/Cam/filler/picks
Brooklyn - Mitchell/Jae/filler/picks
Phoenix - KD/filler
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:31 pm
by In2ition
Who's getting Simmons in this deal?
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:01 pm
by Aztec Sunsfan
In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 2:31 pm
Who's getting Simmons in this deal?
Indiana, in exchange of permanently shopped Myles Turner going to Utah.
Is Patty Mills tradeable during the offseason? Would be great to bringing him along KD.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:56 pm
by The Bobster
If it weren't for all the baggage, I think Simmons would be a great fit as the Suns PF. I know people don't like his lack of shooting (for good reason), but he can create offense and is an All-NBA level defensive player.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:14 pm
by Drewsprocket
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 3:53 pm
That's actually a hilarious and savage idea.
Honestly, NBA stands to lose if KD starts talking that shit. Sounds good just to make things interesting.
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:20 pm
by specialsauce
The Bobster wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:56 pm
If it weren't for all the baggage, I think Simmons would be a great fit as the Suns PF. I know people don't like his lack of shooting (for good reason), but he can create offense and is an All-NBA level defensive player.
As the great Book said, if my aunt had a weiner she’d be my Uncle
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:35 pm
by The Bobster
specialsauce wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 8:20 pm
The Bobster wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:56 pm
If it weren't for all the baggage, I think Simmons would be a great fit as the Suns PF. I know people don't like his lack of shooting (for good reason), but he can create offense and is an All-NBA level defensive player.
As the great Book said, if my aunt had a weiner she’d be my Uncle
There's things for that nowadays......
Re: Is KD coming to the Suns?
Posted: Tue Aug 16, 2022 9:36 pm
by Shabazz
The Bobster wrote: ↑Tue Aug 16, 2022 5:56 pm
If it weren't for all the baggage, I think Simmons would be a great fit as the Suns PF. I know people don't like his lack of shooting (for good reason), but he can create offense and is an All-NBA level defensive player.
If Ayton was a more credible threat from outside and occasionally drew free throws, it would be a much cleaner fit.