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Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:41 pm
I wish Ayton had prime Dwight's mentality. He was so good.
Just saw this recently…I’m not sure there’s a player who’s overall reputation is so drastically different from how good they were in their prime. Part of it is because he’s played so long as a meh player, but he was a legitimate top 5 guy and mvp candidate for 5 years.



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I would still love to sign Howard as our backup center, but instead we're stuck with guys like Biyombo and Landale.

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Biyombo is our 3rd string C at this point. Saric would be the backup. We need a stretch 5 I think. I don’t really have any interest in Dwight. If we lose Saric in a KD deal, I’m fine just rolling with Biyombo and Landale. It’s not ideal, but having KD makes up for it.

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Chuck is probably the only one that would challenge Ayton's FG% with the same mix of <3 feet shots vs >10 feet. The data only goes back to 96 so I can't see his first 4 years like this stat compares.

Shaq's career had less than 8% of his shots outside 10 feet. And 51% were at the rim (<3 feet).

Dwight is <7% outside 10 feet and 69% at the rim (but has several seasons 4 seasons over 65% and one nearly 80%!

Ayton is only at 69% of his shots at <10 feet and only 45% at the rim.

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Chuck's percentage dropped quite a bit when he fell in love with the 3-point shot and as he got older.

And Artis Gilmore (.559 in the ABA) really cranked up his FG% as he got older and started shooting less.
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Chuck's percentage dropped quite a bit when he fell in love with the 3-point shot and as he got older.

And Artis Gilmore (.559 in the ABA) really cranked up his FG% as he got older and started shooting less.
I don't know how long ago I came across the statistics, but I'm pretty sure Charles Barkley has one of the worst 3-point field goal percentages per minimum of 2000 attempts or so.

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Barkley did have an awful 3pt%, still an incredible TS%, especially for his time. One of the few guys who actually shot too many 3s back then.

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Split T wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:08 pm
Just saw this recently…I’m not sure there’s a player who’s overall reputation is so drastically different from how good they were in their prime. Part of it is because he’s played so long as a meh player, but he was a legitimate top 5 guy and mvp candidate for 5 years.
I never really got why he sort of just fell off a cliff? ... did he get injured or just lose athleticisim?

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At the end in Orlando he became something of a drama queen and a punch line, then the trade to LA and then Houston and he was putting up good, but not great numbers. It's now been a full 10 years since he got an MVP vote and he hasn't been a starter for the whole year since 2017-18.
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Charlie Smithy! wrote:
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The Bobster wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:49 pm
Chuck's percentage dropped quite a bit when he fell in love with the 3-point shot and as he got older.

And Artis Gilmore (.559 in the ABA) really cranked up his FG% as he got older and started shooting less.
I don't know how long ago I came across the statistics, but I'm pretty sure Charles Barkley has one of the worst 3-point field goal percentages per minimum of 2000 attempts or so.
If you make the minimum 2000 attempts, Charles is the ONLY player ever with less than 27% 3FG%. Actually, he is the only player under 28%, and 29% and 30%. The next closest is Russell Westbrook at 30.5% (but he has over 3700 attempts whereas Chuck has 2020).

Chuck had ridiculous confidence, because you can't find another guy to ever play that had such a low percentage and even took 1000 threes.

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Indy wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:14 pm
Charlie Smithy! wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:35 pm
The Bobster wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:49 pm
Chuck's percentage dropped quite a bit when he fell in love with the 3-point shot and as he got older.

And Artis Gilmore (.559 in the ABA) really cranked up his FG% as he got older and started shooting less.
I don't know how long ago I came across the statistics, but I'm pretty sure Charles Barkley has one of the worst 3-point field goal percentages per minimum of 2000 attempts or so.
If you make the minimum 2000 attempts, Charles is the ONLY player ever with less than 27% 3FG%. Actually, he is the only player under 28%, and 29% and 30%. The next closest is Russell Westbrook at 30.5% (but he has over 3700 attempts whereas Chuck has 2020).

Chuck had ridiculous confidence, because you can't find another guy to ever play that had such a low percentage and even took 1000 threes.
I bet Westbrook has the most off of the side of the backboard.
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BlaCkAdDa wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:58 pm
Split T wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:08 pm
Just saw this recently…I’m not sure there’s a player who’s overall reputation is so drastically different from how good they were in their prime. Part of it is because he’s played so long as a meh player, but he was a legitimate top 5 guy and mvp candidate for 5 years.
I never really got why he sort of just fell off a cliff? ... did he get injured or just lose athleticisim?
Not really sure…it was weird because his downward trend started at like 27, right when he should be in his prime.

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Split T wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:01 pm
BlaCkAdDa wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:58 pm
Split T wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:08 pm
Just saw this recently…I’m not sure there’s a player who’s overall reputation is so drastically different from how good they were in their prime. Part of it is because he’s played so long as a meh player, but he was a legitimate top 5 guy and mvp candidate for 5 years.
I never really got why he sort of just fell off a cliff? ... did he get injured or just lose athleticisim?
Not really sure…it was weird because his downward trend started at like 27, right when he should be in his prime.
He had some pretty significant back issues.
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Yeah, the back injuries were pretty serious and took away a lot of his foot speed and bounce. It also didn't help that it happened right when the league went heavy into space and pace. He wasn't going to get a bunch of post opportunities and he couldn't be much of a vertical spacer anymore with the back trouble.
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That makes sense, I didn’t remember his back issues

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Indy wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:14 pm
Charlie Smithy! wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:35 pm
The Bobster wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:49 pm
Chuck's percentage dropped quite a bit when he fell in love with the 3-point shot and as he got older.

And Artis Gilmore (.559 in the ABA) really cranked up his FG% as he got older and started shooting less.
I don't know how long ago I came across the statistics, but I'm pretty sure Charles Barkley has one of the worst 3-point field goal percentages per minimum of 2000 attempts or so.
If you make the minimum 2000 attempts, Charles is the ONLY player ever with less than 27% 3FG%. Actually, he is the only player under 28%, and 29% and 30%. The next closest is Russell Westbrook at 30.5% (but he has over 3700 attempts whereas Chuck has 2020).

Chuck had ridiculous confidence, because you can't find another guy to ever play that had such a low percentage and even took 1000 threes.
The thing with Chuck was he was a killer...he made shots he had to make...

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Vladimir_Taltos wrote:
Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:52 am
Indy wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 9:14 pm
Charlie Smithy! wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:35 pm
The Bobster wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:49 pm
Chuck's percentage dropped quite a bit when he fell in love with the 3-point shot and as he got older.

And Artis Gilmore (.559 in the ABA) really cranked up his FG% as he got older and started shooting less.
I don't know how long ago I came across the statistics, but I'm pretty sure Charles Barkley has one of the worst 3-point field goal percentages per minimum of 2000 attempts or so.
If you make the minimum 2000 attempts, Charles is the ONLY player ever with less than 27% 3FG%. Actually, he is the only player under 28%, and 29% and 30%. The next closest is Russell Westbrook at 30.5% (but he has over 3700 attempts whereas Chuck has 2020).

Chuck had ridiculous confidence, because you can't find another guy to ever play that had such a low percentage and even took 1000 threes.
The thing with Chuck was he was a killer...he made shots he had to make...
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:43 pm
Yeah, the back injuries were pretty serious and took away a lot of his foot speed and bounce. It also didn't help that it happened right when the league went heavy into space and pace. He wasn't going to get a bunch of post opportunities and he couldn't be much of a vertical spacer anymore with the back trouble.
This is why I would worry about a Simmons trade.
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In2ition wrote:
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:43 pm
Yeah, the back injuries were pretty serious and took away a lot of his foot speed and bounce. It also didn't help that it happened right when the league went heavy into space and pace. He wasn't going to get a bunch of post opportunities and he couldn't be much of a vertical spacer anymore with the back trouble.
This is why I would worry about a Simmons trade.
He's also Charmin soft upstairs and has no respect from anyone that plays in the NBA.
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AmareIsGod wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:16 am
In2ition wrote:
Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:23 am
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Sat Jul 16, 2022 10:43 pm
Yeah, the back injuries were pretty serious and took away a lot of his foot speed and bounce. It also didn't help that it happened right when the league went heavy into space and pace. He wasn't going to get a bunch of post opportunities and he couldn't be much of a vertical spacer anymore with the back trouble.
This is why I would worry about a Simmons trade.
He's also Charmin soft upstairs and has no respect from anyone that plays in the NBA.
Well, yes. That too.
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