Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:14 pm
TOO wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:26 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:18 am
I think the "Ayton disappeared" narrative is being overblown. He put up the second most shots on the team--he just wasn't hitting them (and neither were Bridges or Booker). He was on pace for about 18 FGA per 36, along with 12 rebounds, 3 steals, and 1.5 blocks. I don't know how much more "active" you all expect him to be.
Thats a great pace, but what exactly did he put up? LOL, gimme a break.
He put up 12 FGA, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block in a little over 24 minutes.
Landale put up 8 FGA, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, in 15 minutes.

He also doubled Ayton's score and only gets 1/20 of the money.

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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ShadowHawke wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:53 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:14 pm
TOO wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:26 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:18 am
I think the "Ayton disappeared" narrative is being overblown. He put up the second most shots on the team--he just wasn't hitting them (and neither were Bridges or Booker). He was on pace for about 18 FGA per 36, along with 12 rebounds, 3 steals, and 1.5 blocks. I don't know how much more "active" you all expect him to be.
Thats a great pace, but what exactly did he put up? LOL, gimme a break.
He put up 12 FGA, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block in a little over 24 minutes.
Landale put up 8 FGA, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, in 15 minutes.

He also doubled Ayton's score and only gets 1/20 of the money.
Completely irrelevant.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:31 pm
ShadowHawke wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:53 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:14 pm
TOO wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:26 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:18 am
I think the "Ayton disappeared" narrative is being overblown. He put up the second most shots on the team--he just wasn't hitting them (and neither were Bridges or Booker). He was on pace for about 18 FGA per 36, along with 12 rebounds, 3 steals, and 1.5 blocks. I don't know how much more "active" you all expect him to be.
Thats a great pace, but what exactly did he put up? LOL, gimme a break.
He put up 12 FGA, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block in a little over 24 minutes.
Landale put up 8 FGA, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, in 15 minutes.

He also doubled Ayton's score and only gets 1/20 of the money.
Completely irrelevant.
You didn’t even watch did you. It’s never about stats with him. It’s about style. Did he put the ball on the ground? Did he play with force? No he tossed up softies and stood around, passed the ball immediately as usual. Expectations are way higher now that he’s “Mr. Max”

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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Drewsprocket wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:23 pm
Ayton can take as many shots as he wants this season so long as he has some new consistent offensive moves and we are at least a 5th seed or better.
I need to see him DRIBBLE and get to the line. Show me improvement or at least ATTEMPT to develop something new

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:31 pm
ShadowHawke wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:53 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:14 pm
TOO wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:26 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 11:18 am
I think the "Ayton disappeared" narrative is being overblown. He put up the second most shots on the team--he just wasn't hitting them (and neither were Bridges or Booker). He was on pace for about 18 FGA per 36, along with 12 rebounds, 3 steals, and 1.5 blocks. I don't know how much more "active" you all expect him to be.
Thats a great pace, but what exactly did he put up? LOL, gimme a break.
He put up 12 FGA, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block in a little over 24 minutes.
Landale put up 8 FGA, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, in 15 minutes.

He also doubled Ayton's score and only gets 1/20 of the money.
Completely irrelevant.
It's going to be a Suns and Ayton conversation all year, I can already see. Let it go Jeremy. It has to get tiring defending Ayton day after day.
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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I said during the first quarter that I would defend Ayton based on what I was seeing

The persons who saying they felt his energy wasn't good enough, I see their point but my whole issue with this which is getting lost in the whole stats debate is our System.....

I hate lack of recognition or adjustment. One of my first post was that Lakers going small ball and starting Gabriel but we came out running our standard stuff
Just calling Ayton out front for high pick n rolls or the dribble hand off for Book. Ayton had two offensive follow ups which he missed, and then finally with like 4mins left decided I haven't got a shot yet and attempted a top of the arc 3

I didn't like a decent amount of Book attempts in that first 8-9mins and I just don't understand if the camp talk is all this stuff DA been working on
Why we running our usual guard dominant offense which everyone agrees needs some wrinkles instead of just going to dude on the block with a 6'9 or whatever Gabriel is guarding him

Funny enough the first designed post up was when Damian Jones check in after a timeout with 3mins left. (that's on CP3 imo) DA went to his right hook which he shows can be decent last year. Again he missed but my issue is just Why 9mins

You can think whatever of Ayton and I surely have my frustrations with him but last night the whole starting 5 execution was trash (and shooting). Didn't think we played very good/smart ball in the 1st at all
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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specialsauce wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:45 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:31 pm
ShadowHawke wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:53 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:14 pm
TOO wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:26 pm


Thats a great pace, but what exactly did he put up? LOL, gimme a break.
He put up 12 FGA, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block in a little over 24 minutes.
Landale put up 8 FGA, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, in 15 minutes.

He also doubled Ayton's score and only gets 1/20 of the money.
Completely irrelevant.
You didn’t even watch did you. It’s never about stats with him. It’s about style. Did he put the ball on the ground? Did he play with force? No he tossed up softies and stood around, passed the ball immediately as usual. Expectations are way higher now that he’s “Mr. Max”
Yes, I did watch most of the game. He dribbled a lot more than he used to, and I liked his activity trying to get to the offensive boards. I think when he's missing shots he passes more than he should, but he definitely held onto the ball and dribbled more before passing rather than just passing immediately. Again, even with his passing the ball, he still put up the second most field goal attempts on the team.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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AmareIsGod wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:52 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:31 pm
ShadowHawke wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:53 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:14 pm
TOO wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 1:26 pm


Thats a great pace, but what exactly did he put up? LOL, gimme a break.
He put up 12 FGA, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block in a little over 24 minutes.
Landale put up 8 FGA, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, in 15 minutes.

He also doubled Ayton's score and only gets 1/20 of the money.
Completely irrelevant.
It's going to be a Suns and Ayton conversation all year, I can already see. Let it go Jeremy. It has to get tiring defending Ayton day after day.
I only defend him when he's being unfairly maligned. The hyper-critical focus on DA is what is getting tiring. Nobody does that with Booker or Bridges or even Chris Paul.

Don't you think it would get tiring if I started calling Booker "Mr. Supermax" every time he shoots 35% from the field?
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:31 pm
AmareIsGod wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:52 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:31 pm
ShadowHawke wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:53 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 2:14 pm


He put up 12 FGA, 8 rebounds, 2 steals, 1 block in a little over 24 minutes.
Landale put up 8 FGA, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, in 15 minutes.

He also doubled Ayton's score and only gets 1/20 of the money.
Completely irrelevant.
It's going to be a Suns and Ayton conversation all year, I can already see. Let it go Jeremy. It has to get tiring defending Ayton day after day.
I only defend him when he's being unfairly maligned. The hyper-critical focus on DA is what is getting tiring. Nobody does that with Booker or Bridges or even Chris Paul.

Don't you think it would get tiring if I started calling Booker "Mr. Supermax" every time he shoots 35% from the field?
Lemme know when Ayton makes an all-star game, or wins a gold medal, or is the best player on a team, of makes an all NBA team or literally has any accomplishments aside from being the dude who went first over a perennial MVP candidate. Dude is getting paid superstar money and we'll, isn't one.
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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specialsauce wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:47 pm
Drewsprocket wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:23 pm
Ayton can take as many shots as he wants this season so long as he has some new consistent offensive moves and we are at least a 5th seed or better.
I need to see him DRIBBLE and get to the line. Show me improvement or at least ATTEMPT to develop something new
You mean aside from the dribble between the legs and bringing the ball upcourt in the 39ers game?

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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TOO wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:22 pm
Dude is getting paid superstar money and we'll, isn't one.
I agree with this part. If *only* superstars got superstar money it would be a very different league imo. Sadly, that's not the case.
Go Suns!

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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SunsRIt wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:43 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:47 pm
Drewsprocket wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:23 pm
Ayton can take as many shots as he wants this season so long as he has some new consistent offensive moves and we are at least a 5th seed or better.
I need to see him DRIBBLE and get to the line. Show me improvement or at least ATTEMPT to develop something new
You mean aside from the dribble between the legs and bringing the ball upcourt in the 39ers game?
You lost me at 39ers game

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Let's get in the habit of evaluating Ayton according to 8- or 10-game blocks. We know that he turns it on and turns it off throughout the course of the season. It will be interesting to see if he can keep it on for long blocks.

My sense is that he'll improve his on-off ratio to 75-25 from the current 40-60. Can't expect him to go full-on 110% Garnett all the time.

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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I didn’t watch the game, but I’m not gonna get worked up about Ayton’s activity level in a preseason game. He did look very good in game 1. If he’s consistently low energy in the regular season, then I’ll worry.

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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specialsauce wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:39 pm
SunsRIt wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:43 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:47 pm
Drewsprocket wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:23 pm
Ayton can take as many shots as he wants this season so long as he has some new consistent offensive moves and we are at least a 5th seed or better.
I need to see him DRIBBLE and get to the line. Show me improvement or at least ATTEMPT to develop something new
You mean aside from the dribble between the legs and bringing the ball upcourt in the 39ers game?
You lost me at 39ers game
Of course I did. It doesn’t fit your narrative.

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SunsRIt wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:18 am
specialsauce wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 7:39 pm
SunsRIt wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:43 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:47 pm
Drewsprocket wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 12:23 pm
Ayton can take as many shots as he wants this season so long as he has some new consistent offensive moves and we are at least a 5th seed or better.
I need to see him DRIBBLE and get to the line. Show me improvement or at least ATTEMPT to develop something new
You mean aside from the dribble between the legs and bringing the ball upcourt in the 39ers game?
You lost me at 39ers game
Of course I did. It doesn’t fit your narrative.
That’s it, ya got me!

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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TOO wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:22 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:31 pm
AmareIsGod wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:52 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:31 pm
ShadowHawke wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 3:53 pm


Landale put up 8 FGA, 7 rebounds, 1 steal, 1 block, in 15 minutes.

He also doubled Ayton's score and only gets 1/20 of the money.
Completely irrelevant.
It's going to be a Suns and Ayton conversation all year, I can already see. Let it go Jeremy. It has to get tiring defending Ayton day after day.
I only defend him when he's being unfairly maligned. The hyper-critical focus on DA is what is getting tiring. Nobody does that with Booker or Bridges or even Chris Paul.

Don't you think it would get tiring if I started calling Booker "Mr. Supermax" every time he shoots 35% from the field?
Lemme know when Ayton makes an all-star game, or wins a gold medal, or is the best player on a team, of makes an all NBA team or literally has any accomplishments aside from being the dude who went first over a perennial MVP candidate. Dude is getting paid superstar money and we'll, isn't one.
Nope, superstar money is the supermax.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.

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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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JeremyG wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:20 am
TOO wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:22 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:31 pm
AmareIsGod wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:52 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:31 pm


Completely irrelevant.
It's going to be a Suns and Ayton conversation all year, I can already see. Let it go Jeremy. It has to get tiring defending Ayton day after day.
I only defend him when he's being unfairly maligned. The hyper-critical focus on DA is what is getting tiring. Nobody does that with Booker or Bridges or even Chris Paul.

Don't you think it would get tiring if I started calling Booker "Mr. Supermax" every time he shoots 35% from the field?
Lemme know when Ayton makes an all-star game, or wins a gold medal, or is the best player on a team, of makes an all NBA team or literally has any accomplishments aside from being the dude who went first over a perennial MVP candidate. Dude is getting paid superstar money and we'll, isn't one.
Nope, superstar money is the supermax.
😂 Ok bud, do any and everything to fit your Ayton narratives. If I didn't know any better I'd say you were Deandre himself at this point.
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Re: Preseason Game Day: Suns @ Lakers, Wed 10/5/22

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TOO wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 10:49 am
JeremyG wrote:
Fri Oct 07, 2022 9:20 am
TOO wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 6:22 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 5:31 pm
AmareIsGod wrote:
Thu Oct 06, 2022 4:52 pm


It's going to be a Suns and Ayton conversation all year, I can already see. Let it go Jeremy. It has to get tiring defending Ayton day after day.
I only defend him when he's being unfairly maligned. The hyper-critical focus on DA is what is getting tiring. Nobody does that with Booker or Bridges or even Chris Paul.

Don't you think it would get tiring if I started calling Booker "Mr. Supermax" every time he shoots 35% from the field?
Lemme know when Ayton makes an all-star game, or wins a gold medal, or is the best player on a team, of makes an all NBA team or literally has any accomplishments aside from being the dude who went first over a perennial MVP candidate. Dude is getting paid superstar money and we'll, isn't one.
Nope, superstar money is the supermax.
😂 Ok bud, do any and everything to fit your Ayton narratives. If I didn't know any better I'd say you were Deandre himself at this point.
It's just a business reality in today's NBA. How many players making max money are superstars? If they're a true superstar, they're usually making the supermax. That's what it's there for.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.

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If not a superstar, can we call him a star then?
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