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Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:20 am
by wpmiller42
Last Week's Games
Wed, Nov 8 @ Chicago
116-115 Win! 
Fri, Nov 10 vs. LA Lakers
122-119 Loss. 
Sun, Nov 12 vs. Oklahoma City
99-111 Loss. 
This Week's Games
Wed, Nov 15 vs. Minnesota 7:00 PM MST SUNS LIVE, ARIZONA'S FAMILY 3TV / ARIZONA'S FAMILY SPORTS
Fri, Nov 17 @ Utah 8:00 PM MST SUNS LIVE, ARIZONA'S FAMILY 3TV / ARIZONA'S FAMILY SPORTS, ESPN
Sun, Nov 19 @ Utah 6:00 PM MST SUNS LIVE, ARIZONA'S FAMILY 3TV / ARIZONA'S FAMILY SPORTS, NBA TV - I'll be at this game!
Suns Stories
Yuta Watanabe’s value in promptness as a fire extinguisher - Bright Side of the Sun
Eric Gordon, Grayson Allen proving capable of bolstering Suns’ rim pressure
Ugly win over Bulls in Bradley Beal's return hints at Suns' sky-high potential
Suns' Bradley Beal scores 13 in season debut after back injury
The struggling Suns have some issues, even if it’s too soon to be concerned - The Athletic
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:54 am
by Mori Chu
Thanks for making the threads, wp! Good stuff.
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:14 am
by Superbone
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 7:54 am
Thanks for making the threads, wp! Good stuff.
Still too much red at the top for my taste.
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:35 pm
by Superbone
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:38 pm
by Superbone
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:25 am
by Mori Chu
Do we think that Vogel / Young are actively bad at coaching this team's offense? Like, if Monty were still our coach, would the offense be going better? Or is it more about the large number of roster changes that happened during the offseason, primarily dealing CP3 but also all the other role player changes? Or is it both?
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:12 am
by Kryptonic
If we could swap Gordon for CP3 I’d be happy to take him back.
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:13 am
by Democritus
I must admit Vogel's coaching is a big disappointment so far. My trust has vanished fast in him.
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:44 am
by AmareIsGod
Haven't been impressed in any capacity with Vogel or Young. I don't care if you have injuries. It's not like we're running out a G-League roster. The offense looks like a bunch of iso plays with too many turnovers. Nothing has looked impressive from a defensive perspective. It looks like pickup basketball from our team vs. teams with structure and strategy.
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:06 am
by Split T
Let’s go! Real season starts tomorrow
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:16 am
by Democritus
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 8:44 am
Haven't been impressed in any capacity with Vogel or Young. I don't care if you have injuries. It's not like we're running out a G-League roster. The offense looks like a bunch of iso plays with too many turnovers. Nothing has looked impressive from a defensive perspective. It looks like pickup basketball from our team vs. teams with structure and strategy.
The thing that annoys me most about Vogel and Co. is like you you said above; they could not implement any identity or strategy yet. You can reply that it's to early to judge but look at the Rockets or Sixers, Udoka and Nurse made an impact right away. Vogel looks like a rookie coach out there. Very strange indeed.
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:08 am
by Split T
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:14 am
by Superbone
Split T wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 9:06 am
Let’s go! Real season starts tomorrow
Can't wait to finally get that first leading 1 in the tally!
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:33 am
by Mori Chu
You didn't already set it to 1? I'm confused. (ducks) /s
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:57 am
by AmareIsGod
It's going to be a yo yo of "our full, true team" and a partial team of one or two of our star players. We need to build an identity and look cohesive regardless. We also need a PG as we can't depend on all 3 being healthy to offset the glaring hole of a non distributing PG when point Book is possibly resting or injured. I don't see Beal as that distributing PG that Booker is able to be.
People like to bring up "if we didn't have KD, we wouldn't have gotten the star-studded bench and the guys we signed wouldn't have come here". The same guys that have paired up with 1 or 2 of our "superstars" and shit the bed in the 4th quarter of almost all of our games.
Way to go coach. Way to go roster that requires us to have all 3 of our stars aligned if we want to win games.
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:32 am
by JeremyG
I'm worried Booker is returning too soon just because we've been so bad without him. We don't need another setback from him. And please, please, please limit him to 20 minutes in his first game back!
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:35 am
by Carno
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:57 am
It's going to be a yo yo of "our full, true team" and a partial team of one or two of our star players. We need to build an identity and look cohesive regardless. We also need a PG as we can't depend on all 3 being healthy to offset the glaring hole of a non distributing PG when point Book is possibly resting or injured. I don't see Beal as that distributing PG that Booker is able to be.
People like to bring up "if we didn't have KD, we wouldn't have gotten the star-studded bench and the guys we signed wouldn't have come here". The same guys that have paired up with 1 or 2 of our "superstars" and shit the bed in the 4th quarter of almost all of our games.
Way to go coach. Way to go roster that requires us to have all 3 of our stars aligned if we want to win games.
You've mentioned the need for a point guard many times, and I'd like to hear how you would make that happen. I don't see a path to a PG that will move the needle without moving one of the big 3. Personally, I think we are better off with Book at point than any other realistic, available options.
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:36 am
by Split T
JeremyG wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:32 am
I'm worried Booker is returning too soon just because we've been so bad without him. We don't need another setback from him. And please, please, please limit him to 20 minutes in his first game back!
They were targeting this homestand before the last two losses so it seems by tomorrow was always the plan. Always a risk but considering he didn’t even know he strained the calf for a couple days, it was clearly pretty minor. I do agree that I’d limit his minutes.
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:40 am
by JeremyG
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 7:25 am
Do we think that Vogel / Young are actively bad at coaching this team's offense? Like, if Monty were still our coach, would the offense be going better? Or is it more about the large number of roster changes that happened during the offseason, primarily dealing CP3 but also all the other role player changes? Or is it both?
As everyone knows, I like to be very patient with coaches (even with Monty, I wanted to give him one more year, last season). But this has been a very disappointing start from Vogel. I want to withhold judgment a little longer, though, as we're only 10 games in, with constantly changing lineups. Perhaps if we could get some consistency and chemistry going for awhile with everyone healthy, we might perform better the next time one or more of the big 3 is out. But end of game playcalling definitely needs to improve. But yes, it's also the roster changes.
Re: Suns News: Week 4 (11/13 - 11/19)
Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:50 am
by Split T
Carno wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:35 am
AmareIsGod wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:57 am
It's going to be a yo yo of "our full, true team" and a partial team of one or two of our star players. We need to build an identity and look cohesive regardless. We also need a PG as we can't depend on all 3 being healthy to offset the glaring hole of a non distributing PG when point Book is possibly resting or injured. I don't see Beal as that distributing PG that Booker is able to be.
People like to bring up "if we didn't have KD, we wouldn't have gotten the star-studded bench and the guys we signed wouldn't have come here". The same guys that have paired up with 1 or 2 of our "superstars" and shit the bed in the 4th quarter of almost all of our games.
Way to go coach. Way to go roster that requires us to have all 3 of our stars aligned if we want to win games.
You've mentioned the need for a point guard many times, and I'd like to hear how you would make that happen. I don't see a path to a PG that will move the needle without moving one of the big 3. Personally, I think we are better off with Book at point than any other realistic, available options.
Ya there’s not pg’s available right now. Booker coming back will do way more for our pg situation than any acquisition. I want to wait and see how we look with a full roster.