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Worst Suns coach since Watson

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I've never been a fan of letting your players dictate your coaching hire. You hire the best coach for your franchise, those player won't be around forever.

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You lost me at Malika Andrews.

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TOO wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 3:19 pm
Shabazz wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 3:12 pm
I wish we could have backed up the Brinx truck for Dan Hurley.
Why?

Who was the last college guy to have success in the pros? Stevens is fantastic in every facet after that though, Billy Donovan?
Mainly Stevens as a comp. Hurley seems to have a modern approach to his offense but is also someone who looks like he’d hold players accountable. I mean, it’s all a coin flip.

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People say time goes by faster as we age, but this has to be new record for next week arriving so quickly.

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Seems appropriate to restore this here, the top 11 coaching candidates...the last one not being viable...

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JeremyG wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 3:45 pm
It’s the same exact situation as last summer. Do we hire Budenholzer (the coach with championship experience) or Billups (the coach that Durant and Booker want)?

We saw how not hiring the players’ choice went this last season. But will giving them what they want result in success?
Chauncey Billups wasn't even able to coach DeAndre Ayton to a title!

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Kryptonic wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 3:54 pm
I've never been a fan of letting your players dictate your coaching hire. You hire the best coach for your franchise, those player won't be around forever.
These days, the average coach won’t be around long either. Guys like Pop and Spo are a dying breed.

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I think it's less due to players dictating coaching hires and more about there being a much larger pool of qualified candidates.

I think there were a lot more incompetent coaches in the past.
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Mori Chu wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 4:45 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 3:45 pm
It’s the same exact situation as last summer. Do we hire Budenholzer (the coach with championship experience) or Billups (the coach that Durant and Booker want)?

We saw how not hiring the players’ choice went this last season. But will giving them what they want result in success?
Chauncey Billups wasn't even able to coach DeAndre Ayton to a title!
He’s never coached anyone with that name.
"I'm a Deandre Ayton guy."--Al McCoy, September 21, 2022.

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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
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I remember that and how he seemed so lackadaisical and like he didn’t even care as they fell to 0-2 in the series, and everyone called him the worst coach in Finals history.

But perhaps the rest of the series proved us all wrong. He was better than Monty at least.

He does seem a little too laid back like Vogel, though.

Billups is more of the Chris Paul type.
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Kryptonic wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 3:54 pm
I've never been a fan of letting your players dictate your coaching hire. You hire the best coach for your franchise, those player won't be around forever.
True, but the fact that it looks more and more like KD and Booker sabotaged the season due to a hire they didn’t like makes me think we either need to change the roster or hire the coach they want.
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JeremyG wrote:
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
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I remember that and how he seemed so lackadaisical and like he didn’t even care as they fell to 0-2 in the series, and everyone called him the worst coach in Finals history.

But perhaps the rest of the series proved us all wrong. He was better than Monty at least.

He does seem a little too laid back like Vogel, though.

Billups is more of the Chris Paul type.
OR.. Hear me out here, he had the best player in the series who dominated his opponent. I don't think coaching had a whole lot of an impact on how that series turned out.
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Wally_West wrote:
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Cool
Both of those guys are far more of a PG than anyone on the Suns roster. But sure Brendan, spin away...
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TOO wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 3:35 pm
Wally_West wrote:
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What the fuck?
You got Woj saying it's Bud, I'm gonna file this under unlikely.
Flex vs Woj, who ya gonna take? Come on.
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JeremyG wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 3:45 pm
It’s the same exact situation as last summer. Do we hire Budenholzer (the coach with championship experience) or Billups (the coach that Durant and Booker want)?

We saw how not hiring the players’ choice went this last season. But will giving them what they want result in success?
A lot of the folks here wanted Bud when we got Monty. They ended up playing each other in the Finals. Monty went into the Buck's locker room. It's only fair that Bud comes into ours. Plus, he's an Arizona guy from Holbrook.
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 6:18 pm
JeremyG wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 6:06 pm
Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Thu May 09, 2024 4:34 pm
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I remember that and how he seemed so lackadaisical and like he didn’t even care as they fell to 0-2 in the series, and everyone called him the worst coach in Finals history.

But perhaps the rest of the series proved us all wrong. He was better than Monty at least.

He does seem a little too laid back like Vogel, though.

Billups is more of the Chris Paul type.
OR.. Hear me out here, he had the best player in the series who dominated his opponent. I don't think coaching had a whole lot of an impact on how that series turned out.
I disagree. There was a game won by Middleton and Jrue, who was torching us. Monty should have tried something to disrupt this hot hand, putting Jevon carter to bother him or something.
But I don't think it was something planned by Budenholzer either.

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