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Split T wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 9:12 pm

You can’t draft a QB as you just paid another one 250 million…even if you want to move on from Kyler, I don’t think this team is ready to draft another QB yet…the rest of the roster needs work first I think. You also gotta clear out the front office first. I’d be fine trading Kyler, but no one will trade for him until he’s healthy. It feels like next year is gonna be another lost year already.

Kliff and Keim are gone far before the draft. I think it's possible that the new front office and coaching staff goes in another direction, regardless of the contract. But, it's possible that those hires are dependent on Murray staying.

Personally, I think you use an IT strategy and fail fast, then move on. It's going to be a lost yr no matter what, imo. I'm not familiar with the guys in the draft though, so idk.

In2ition wrote: ↑

Sun Jan 08, 2023 8:42 pm

I'm going to say something unpopular, but I think they get a new GM & Coach, and should draft a QB. CJ Stroud would be my choice rn. Murray is too small and his best attribute is quickness, and now he is probably out for the entire next season, and he may never have the quickness again.

Not as unpopular as you think.
Kyler sucks. They should never have paid him and it was obvious then and now

Do you think someone would trade for Kyler? I can’t imagine having to pay someone $45 million a year to not play. I’m not opposed to moving on, but you absolutely have to trade Kyler before drafting a QB with the 3rd pick. It was one thing to do it with Josh Rosen(he sucked and was on a rookie deal), but you can’t absolutely sink Kyler’s value by drafting his replacement.

Besides, this team has a ton of issues, some more pressing than Kyler. I think you take the best player available(Jalen Carter or Will Anderson Jr.) and just be bad again next year with some backup QB. Have to get a new coach/gm and I’d move a lot of the pricey vets like DHop. He should still have value. Trade him for picks.

Hopefully Kyler comes back at the end of the season and you can evaluate what you have with him. Then spring of ‘24 you try to move him if your plans have changed.


Edit: well I guess they did one of my steps while I was writing the post haha

Kyler should still have value around the league, but it's tough now with his injury. It's almost guaranteeing that the Cards are going to be bad next year, and it's unknown if they will be good after he returns healthy. He's not tall enough to keep from getting his ball batted down when he sits in the pocket. He's also hyper aware that he doesn't want to take hits, and it affects his decision making, imo. The Cards could build the best offensive line, but it still might not be enough to protect Kyler and keep him from getting his throws batted down. His game depends on him getting outside the pocket, imo.

Ya, he’s only special when he’s out running around and he’s been less willing to do that. Pocket QB Kyler isn’t very valuable.

Keim and Kingsbury. You're done, son!

Just pure idiocy to pay Kyler. He showed no improvement over his rookie year: so many reg flags- if he didn’t run and make scramble plays he lost because he’s not a quarterback.

specialsauce wrote: ↑

Mon Jan 09, 2023 2:37 pm

Just pure idiocy to pay Kyler. He showed no improvement over his rookie year: so many reg flags- if he didn’t run and make scramble plays he lost because he’s not a quarterback.

Backyard football doesn't work in the NFL. He's a gadget QB. Too many missed games every season and gets rattled the second he gets hit for the rest of the game.

I think he's a qb, but I just don't think he's the best to take the team to a Super Bowl win as some of his mistakes come at the most inopportune times.

I’m not completely out on him. He’s talented…I do think having Kliff as his coach wasn’t fair. It’s too bad he tore his acl and we may not even see him this year with the new coach.

How long until we're all saying #FireMonti?

Anyone have any idea who he is?

Jags fan myself but have always liked how the Cardinals went about things. I hope for ya'lls sake it is not Flores; I think he is overrated and leaves a lot to be desired personality wise. Arizona has some good pieces, just need the right coach in.

The more I read about Flores and how he completely demoralized and broke Tua, who by all accounts is an amazing person, the less I want him around our team.

I don’t know enough about him…I had heard good things but seems like some questions too. DeMeco Ryans is an intriguing one for me too

No thanks to Flores or Reich

Reich was apparently a pushover

Kyler needs tough love

This whole Payton thing reminds me too much of the whole Peyton thing.