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Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:35 pm

pickle wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:47 pm

I don't get why any category is cheaper than any other, and if they are, why don't we advocate taking out rebounds to make the category count odd again? If we really care enough about the weight of the categories, then we can try to play a points based league, though personally I'm not a huge fan of that because it takes away the trading aspect of this game.

It doesn’t matter that much if you just look at it as a separate game than the real game. We all know the rules and can adjust accordingly, but it just makes some lesser players more valuable than they are in the real game.

And it doesn’t even have to be Booker vs Ayton, take Booker vs Clint Capela. Capela is almost always going to win rebounds, blocks, fg%, and TO against Booker. Booker will win points, ft%, 3pt, and assists. Steals is a toss up. Take TO out and Booker will almost always be better than Capela, keep them in and now it depends on the other players on your team who’s more valuable. I’m just saying I’d rather have a league where Booker is clearly the more valuable player.

My biggest issue is it just makes non creative bigs more valuable than they should be. Id rather have the smaller creative guards be more valuable and taking out TO does that. But it’s not that big of a deal to me, I’ll happily do 9-cat if that’s what people want. We maybe just need to do a poll, 8-cat vs 9-cat(with TO) vs 9-cat(with a new 9th category).

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:55 am

If we’re going back to a redraft league can we please move to auction format for the draft? It’s so much more fun and fair (although snake drafts are better if a lot of people will be auto-drafting).

Shabazz wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 16, 2022 1:55 am

If we’re going back to a redraft league can we please move to auction format for the draft? It’s so much more fun and fair (although snake drafts are better if a lot of people will be auto-drafting).

pickle wrote: ↑

Fri Sep 16, 2022 2:45 am

Split T wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 9:35 pm

pickle wrote: ↑

Thu Sep 15, 2022 7:47 pm

I don't get why any category is cheaper than any other, and if they are, why don't we advocate taking out rebounds to make the category count odd again? If we really care enough about the weight of the categories, then we can try to play a points based league, though personally I'm not a huge fan of that because it takes away the trading aspect of this game.

It doesn’t matter that much if you just look at it as a separate game than the real game. We all know the rules and can adjust accordingly, but it just makes some lesser players more valuable than they are in the real game.

And it doesn’t even have to be Booker vs Ayton, take Booker vs Clint Capela. Capela is almost always going to win rebounds, blocks, fg%, and TO against Booker. Booker will win points, ft%, 3pt, and assists. Steals is a toss up. Take TO out and Booker will almost always be better than Capela, keep them in and now it depends on the other players on your team who’s more valuable. I’m just saying I’d rather have a league where Booker is clearly the more valuable player.

My biggest issue is it just makes non creative bigs more valuable than they should be. Id rather have the smaller creative guards be more valuable and taking out TO does that. But it’s not that big of a deal to me, I’ll happily do 9-cat if that’s what people want. We maybe just need to do a poll, 8-cat vs 9-cat(with TO) vs 9-cat(with a new 9th category).

Split, I don't think Capela vs. Booker is a good comparison. Make it Capela vs. Clarkson... Capela would win fg, reb, blk, to, and Clarkson would win the other 5 categories. And obviously the full team is not just a simple player to player comparison, and turnover isn't there to just swing this to one type of player vs. another wildly. Yes there are players whose values are somewhat artificially inflated because they don't turn the ball over, but there are just as many players who are efficient despite being high usage guys and ranked highly because of it. Taking out turnovers basically helps guys like Harden and hurts guys like CP3. Other than really liking high usage players, I really don't see a fundamental reason why such an important part of the real game of basketball should be thrown out in a game of simulation.