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Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:02 am
by specialsauce
Nodack wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:58 am
AZ covid cases have been off the charts. This past week it seems to have peaked and is starting to decline.
Masks and cutting off bars work. We’re still at a really high % positive, but inpatient volumes are down which is reassuring. It will be really important that the governor doesn’t knee jerk reopen again . We need to keep bars closed and inDoor dining restricted severely until this is over.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 11:46 am
by Nodack
It feels like it’s never going to be over. 2020 has definitely been the worst year ever. When life gives you lemons.... When the going gets tough... It’s always darkest before...

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:00 pm
by Mori Chu
It's funny how once you force everyone to wear masks and stay distant, the virus cases start to level off. Huh.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:06 pm
by Indy
Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 4:00 pm
It's funny how once you force everyone to wear masks and stay distant, the virus cases start to level off. Huh.
Probably just a coincidence. Just think of all of the damage you are doing by forcing people to breathe in their own CO2.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:22 pm
by Cap
specialsauce wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:02 am
Nodack wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:58 am
AZ covid cases have been off the charts. This past week it seems to have peaked and is starting to decline.
Masks and cutting off bars work. We’re still at a really high % positive, but inpatient volumes are down which is reassuring. It will be really important that the governor doesn’t knee jerk reopen again . We need to keep bars closed and inDoor dining restricted severely until this is over.
Bars are open.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:21 pm
by specialsauce
Cap wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:22 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:02 am
Nodack wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:58 am
AZ covid cases have been off the charts. This past week it seems to have peaked and is starting to decline.
Masks and cutting off bars work. We’re still at a really high % positive, but inpatient volumes are down which is reassuring. It will be really important that the governor doesn’t knee jerk reopen again . We need to keep bars closed and inDoor dining restricted severely until this is over.
Bars are open.
By his executive order they are not supposed to be.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:21 pm
by specialsauce

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:53 pm
by Superbone
Cap wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:22 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:02 am
Nodack wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:58 am
AZ covid cases have been off the charts. This past week it seems to have peaked and is starting to decline.
Masks and cutting off bars work. We’re still at a really high % positive, but inpatient volumes are down which is reassuring. It will be really important that the governor doesn’t knee jerk reopen again . We need to keep bars closed and inDoor dining restricted severely until this is over.
Bars are open.
Stay out of those bars, Cap!

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:44 am
by Cap
specialsauce wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:21 pm
Cap wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:22 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:02 am
Nodack wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:58 am
AZ covid cases have been off the charts. This past week it seems to have peaked and is starting to decline.
Masks and cutting off bars work. We’re still at a really high % positive, but inpatient volumes are down which is reassuring. It will be really important that the governor doesn’t knee jerk reopen again . We need to keep bars closed and inDoor dining restricted severely until this is over.
Bars are open.
By his executive order they are not supposed to be.
Unless they serve food.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/restaur ... n-11477970

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:12 am
by Nodack
Cap lives right next to a bar with food.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:31 am
by specialsauce
Cap wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:44 am
specialsauce wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:21 pm
Cap wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:22 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:02 am
Nodack wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:58 am
AZ covid cases have been off the charts. This past week it seems to have peaked and is starting to decline.
Masks and cutting off bars work. We’re still at a really high % positive, but inpatient volumes are down which is reassuring. It will be really important that the governor doesn’t knee jerk reopen again . We need to keep bars closed and inDoor dining restricted severely until this is over.
Bars are open.
By his executive order they are not supposed to be.
Unless they serve food.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/restaur ... n-11477970
SMH.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:36 am
by Cap
Nodack wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:12 am
Cap lives right next to a bar with food.
Seven such businesses, in fact.

I think of Zipps and Phx Beer Co. as bars that serve food. Twisted Grove, Grassroots, Agave Del Scottsdale, Khazana, and Crust are restaurants that have bars. This is not based on any objective standard, just a subjective impression of what the emphasis seems to be.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:17 am
by Indy
specialsauce wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:31 am
Cap wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:44 am
specialsauce wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:21 pm
Cap wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 9:22 pm
specialsauce wrote:
Tue Jul 21, 2020 10:02 am


Masks and cutting off bars work. We’re still at a really high % positive, but inpatient volumes are down which is reassuring. It will be really important that the governor doesn’t knee jerk reopen again . We need to keep bars closed and inDoor dining restricted severely until this is over.
Bars are open.
By his executive order they are not supposed to be.
Unless they serve food.

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/restaur ... n-11477970
SMH.
his executive orders are feckless, just like his leadership.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2020 10:23 am
by specialsauce
Cap wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:36 am
Nodack wrote:
Wed Jul 22, 2020 8:12 am
Cap lives right next to a bar with food.
Seven such businesses, in fact.

I think of Zipps and Phx Beer Co. as bars that serve food. Twisted Grove, Grassroots, Agave Del Scottsdale, Khazana, and Crust are restaurants that have bars. This is not based on any objective standard, just a subjective impression of what the emphasis seems to be.
I have ordered takeout from Zipps a few times in the last couple months, and they seem to do a good job social distancing at the tables, but the bar itself is full. I can’t understand for the life of me why it isn’t a requirement to close bar seating. It’s as bad as it gets.

I wouldn’t call Zipps a bar. Sports bar maybe- but not a whole lot different than functionally a restaurant. When I think of bars I’m thinking of places in old town Scottsdale (the nightclubs), or even lounges (yes- swizzle) where there are a ton of people in close proximity- not a sit down place.

If you want to argue that all indoor dining should be banned- I agree with you. But I think that’s a different but related topic.

I would open gyms with strict social distancing, masking, and capacity enforcements. I would ban all indoor dining of any kind (coffee shops, bars, restaurants, ice cream - whatever) where people are in an enclosed space without masks.

Hair salons and spas under same requirements as the gym, with mandatory masks for patrons and employees, and strict capacity reductions.

I would fine anyone found not wearing a mask. I would place a repeat offender under in-house arrest. Yes, I’m serious.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2020 9:45 pm
by Nodack
Even mild coronavirus cases can cause lasting cardiovascular damage, study shows
https://theweek.com/speedreads/927908/e ... tudy-shows
The study published Monday in JAMA Cardiology details the results of cardiac MRI exams of 100 recovered coronavirus patients. Twenty-eight of them required oxygen supplementation while fighting the virus, while just two were on ventilators. But 78 of them still had cardiovascular abnormalities after recovery, with 60 of them showing "ongoing myocardial inflammation," the study shows. These conditions appeared to be independent of case severity and pre-existing conditions, though JAMA researchers note these findings need a larger study.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2020 12:07 pm
by Cap
https://www.thedailybeast.com/grim-opti ... -19-future
As a bevy of experts all told The Daily Beast this week, “all this”—the lockdowns, shifting hot spots, and surges in deaths and hospitalizations that threaten local health systems—will probably last about two to three years total.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:05 am
by In2ition
I haven't watched the national news much at all since the NBA has restarted. What is the perception of how Sweden has handled the pandemic?

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:41 am
by Superbone
In2ition wrote:
Thu Aug 06, 2020 9:05 am
I haven't watched the national news much at all since the NBA has restarted. What is the perception of how Sweden has handled the pandemic?
Not good from what I've seen. Most think their approach was a failure. They have a much higher percentage of cases than their neighboring countries.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:15 am
by Nodack
I don’t know. I haven’t been watching the news much either. I haven’t cared about Sweden’s handling of Covid. I will check it out.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-53498133

Sweden has largely relied on voluntary social distancing guidelines since the start of the pandemic, including working from home where possible and avoiding public transport.
There's also been a ban on gatherings of more than 50 people, restrictions on visiting care homes, and a shift to table-only service in bars and restaurants.

Anders Tegnell says his modelling indicates that, on average, Swedes have around 30% of the social interactions they did prior to the pandemic.
And a survey released this week by Sweden's Civil Contingencies Agency suggests 87% of the population are continuing to follow social distancing recommendations to the same extent as they were one or two weeks earlier, up from 82% a month ago.

Sweden becomes an example of how not to handle COVID-19
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sweden-cov ... -covid-19/

The public health authorities banned gatherings of over 50 people, closed high schools and universities, and advised people to maintain a safe distance. But stores and restaurants have remained open throughout the pandemic, as have elementary and middle schools.

The country's mortality rate from the coronavirus is now 30% higher than that of the United States when adjusted for population size.

When Jan tested positive for COVID-19, the care home where he lived didn't send him to the hospital. Staff stopped monitoring his oxygen levels and gave him morphine. He died within days.

Asked how health care professionals could take such decisions — essentially making a call not to treat a patient — Gluckman said authorities in Stockholm seemed to decide early on that they weren't going to treat the elderly, perhaps to keep ICU beds available.

She said without hesitation that she's "lost faith" in both the government's and the public health authorities' handling of the epidemic.

A bigger problem could be the impact on Sweden's wider international reputation for high-quality state health and elderly care, she believes. "There has been a blow to the Swedish image of being this humanitarian superpower in the world. Our halo has been knocked down, and we have a lot to prove now."

Just 45% of Swedes now have confidence in the government's ability to handle the pandemic, according to a Novus survey last month, down from 63% in April.

Re: Coronavirus: When should we be concerned?

Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 11:08 am
by In2ition
I saw these on twitter today and thought they were interesting as it pertains to Sweden.