Re: Arizona Cardinals
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 5:22 pm
I'm not opposed to Lamar Jackson. In fact I'm intrigued by the prospect, but it would probably be a trade back into the 1st to get jim, imo.
Split T wrote:Manziel wasn't close to Jackson as an athlete. And having his family represent him and scoring low on the wonderlic doesn't tell me he can't be a leader. He can be a good athlete and an intelligent leader.
Positive:Split T wrote:Josh Rosen is the pick for us. Thoughts?
I disagree. I think that's a pretty expensive price to move up 5 spots.specialsauce wrote:They moved up 5 spots, only gave up a 3rd and 5th rounder, and if he blows then so be it. Low risk, high rewards to me.
I love the way that Rosen sees the game and throws the ball. I think this was a great deal, and a tremendous value of moving up.specialsauce wrote:I absolutely love the deal. Love love love. To make a "massive mistake" would mean to have taken a huge risk. They moved up 5 spots, only gave up a 3rd and 5th rounder, and if he blows then so be it. Low risk, high rewards to me.
Solid move. Lets get us a WR now. Would have loved Martavis Bryant, too bad.
According to most experts, it wasn't an expensive price.Flagrant Fowl wrote:I disagree. I think that's a pretty expensive price to move up 5 spots.specialsauce wrote:They moved up 5 spots, only gave up a 3rd and 5th rounder, and if he blows then so be it. Low risk, high rewards to me.
It's a mistake if he doesn't become a reliable starter by his third year.
Bill Barnwell – ESPN.com
Cardinals’ GM Steve Keim missed out on Patrick Mahomes when the Chiefs traded up last year, so it’s no surprise that he made a move of his own this year. He also got himself a great deal in the process, given that he actually turned a profit on the Johnson chart and paid less than either the Bills or Ravens did on the dollar by the Stuart model. It’s surprising that the Raiders weren’t able to scare the Cardinals into giving up the 46th pick with the threat of the Dolphins lurking at 11. Alternately, 15 and the Cardinals’ two third-round picks at 79 and 97 would have been a reasonable ask, given that it would have cost $1.04 on the dollar by the Johnson model.
Peter King – The MMQB on SI.com
Kudos to GM Steve Keim for knowing he had to get a young, developmental quarterback, and getting the fourth passer picked, UCLA’s Josh Rosen, by trading up from 15 to 10 with Oakland. Amazingly, Keim didn’t have to give next year’s first-rounder or this year’s second to get the deal done. “There’s always pressure to find the young quarterback,” Keim told me near midnight Thursday, “but if you trade away so many picks that you can’t solve your other problems, it’s really too much of a sacrifice to do.”
Chad Reuter – NFL.com
Gave Cardinals an ‘A’ grade for their Day 1 action – Rosen is the best pure pocket passer in the draft. The Cardinals need to protect him, but if they do, he’ll be a Pro Bowler. Giving up third- and fifth-round picks was more than reasonable for a player of his caliber.
Will Brinson – CBSSports.com
Not sure what trade chart Steve Keim showed to Jon Gruden when he called him up about a deal for swapping No. 15 for No. 10, but the Cards GM got a good deal on moving up to grab the last remaining quarterback of the “Big Four” when he landed Josh Rosen out of UCLA. Now technically, the Raiders didn’t get ripped off: the No. 10 pick is worth 1,300 points on the old trade value chart and Gruden and Oakland got 1,275 points in return. However, this was a situation where there was just one of the top quarterbacks on the board and they didn’t crank up the cost. The Cardinals were in a bit of desperation to land a young signal caller after missing out on Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson last year, and Rosen could be a stud. He’s considered the most “pro ready” of all the quarterbacks in this draft class, he has just has the downside of being a millennial and having battled concussions. Rosen has at least one pretty impressive quarterback in his corner.
Called itIn2ition wrote:I love the way that Rosen sees the game and throws the ball. I think this was a great deal, and a tremendous value of moving up.specialsauce wrote:I absolutely love the deal. Love love love. To make a "massive mistake" would mean to have taken a huge risk. They moved up 5 spots, only gave up a 3rd and 5th rounder, and if he blows then so be it. Low risk, high rewards to me.
Solid move. Lets get us a WR now. Would have loved Martavis Bryant, too bad.
Christian Kirk available now?
Hometown boy, love the pick. Very good draft so far. Don’t know much about the lineman they draftedIn2ition wrote:Called itIn2ition wrote:I love the way that Rosen sees the game and throws the ball. I think this was a great deal, and a tremendous value of moving up.specialsauce wrote:I absolutely love the deal. Love love love. To make a "massive mistake" would mean to have taken a huge risk. They moved up 5 spots, only gave up a 3rd and 5th rounder, and if he blows then so be it. Low risk, high rewards to me.
Solid move. Lets get us a WR now. Would have loved Martavis Bryant, too bad.
Christian Kirk available now?
AmareIsGod wrote:According to most experts, it wasn't an expensive price.Flagrant Fowl wrote:I disagree. I think that's a pretty expensive price to move up 5 spots.specialsauce wrote:They moved up 5 spots, only gave up a 3rd and 5th rounder, and if he blows then so be it. Low risk, high rewards to me.
It's a mistake if he doesn't become a reliable starter by his third year.
http://arizonasports.com/story/1512166/ ... osh-rosen/
Bill Barnwell – ESPN.com
Cardinals’ GM Steve Keim missed out on Patrick Mahomes when the Chiefs traded up last year, so it’s no surprise that he made a move of his own this year. He also got himself a great deal in the process, given that he actually turned a profit on the Johnson chart and paid less than either the Bills or Ravens did on the dollar by the Stuart model. It’s surprising that the Raiders weren’t able to scare the Cardinals into giving up the 46th pick with the threat of the Dolphins lurking at 11. Alternately, 15 and the Cardinals’ two third-round picks at 79 and 97 would have been a reasonable ask, given that it would have cost $1.04 on the dollar by the Johnson model.Peter King – The MMQB on SI.com
Kudos to GM Steve Keim for knowing he had to get a young, developmental quarterback, and getting the fourth passer picked, UCLA’s Josh Rosen, by trading up from 15 to 10 with Oakland. Amazingly, Keim didn’t have to give next year’s first-rounder or this year’s second to get the deal done. “There’s always pressure to find the young quarterback,” Keim told me near midnight Thursday, “but if you trade away so many picks that you can’t solve your other problems, it’s really too much of a sacrifice to do.”Chad Reuter – NFL.com
Gave Cardinals an ‘A’ grade for their Day 1 action – Rosen is the best pure pocket passer in the draft. The Cardinals need to protect him, but if they do, he’ll be a Pro Bowler. Giving up third- and fifth-round picks was more than reasonable for a player of his caliber.Will Brinson – CBSSports.com
Not sure what trade chart Steve Keim showed to Jon Gruden when he called him up about a deal for swapping No. 15 for No. 10, but the Cards GM got a good deal on moving up to grab the last remaining quarterback of the “Big Four” when he landed Josh Rosen out of UCLA. Now technically, the Raiders didn’t get ripped off: the No. 10 pick is worth 1,300 points on the old trade value chart and Gruden and Oakland got 1,275 points in return. However, this was a situation where there was just one of the top quarterbacks on the board and they didn’t crank up the cost. The Cardinals were in a bit of desperation to land a young signal caller after missing out on Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson last year, and Rosen could be a stud. He’s considered the most “pro ready” of all the quarterbacks in this draft class, he has just has the downside of being a millennial and having battled concussions. Rosen has at least one pretty impressive quarterback in his corner.
It really comes down to Josh Rosen. Qb's are so hit and miss, if he turns into a good qb, it was a fantastic trade. If he busts, it was a bad trade. Seems obvious but it really is that simple. For what we gave up, I think the risk was worth it.Flagrant Fowl wrote:Fair enough on the trade, I guess. I think it's almost always better to have more picks, but at least they went for a quarterback. I hope it works out.