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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:12 pm

And Trump does this half-hearted walk-back where he says they misheard his word "would" as "wouldn't". This is an obvious lie. He spent the whole presser and multiple interviews afterward confirming his belief that Russia did not hack us or interfere in our election.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by ShelC » Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:56 pm

As mad/frustrated as some are/were over Obama/Hillary and the Dems, there's no justifying Trump anymore unless you're on the fringe. I do feel like the tide is turning with the majority of the public and his Republican/conservative supporters, though I still doubt any in the GOP will take any action. They'll wait for this to die down and blow over like everything else, but I think the damage is done. The message was clear that Trump is for Trump and not America. You can't reference Reagan in speeches and then hold that press conference.

This is all about Trump keeping his business interests and finances in good standing.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:01 pm

NYT reports that Trump had top secret classified intel that was shown to him right after he took office that made it even more clear that Russia meddled in our election, even more clear than what is known to the general public. So it is absolutely inexcusable that he would deny their meddling in this recent summit. The US intelligence agencies believe the President may have "burned" their sources and told their identities to Putin in their recent meeting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/18/worl ... ling-.html

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Thu Jul 19, 2018 6:47 pm

The latest is that Russia is claiming a bunch of things were agreed to during the Trump/Putin private meeting. For example:

- They're saying that we are considering letting Russia talk to some Americans accused of Russian crimes, like Bill Browder and Michael McFaul, who helped expose Russian money laundering leading to the Magnitsky sanctions. This would be a horrible thing to do; Russia would very likely imprison or kill these men, who are American citizens who served their country and have done nothing wrong. This one is so dumb that the Senate just voted 98-0 (unanimous!) on a non-binding resolution to demand that POTUS not do this.

- They're saying that Trump agreed to hold a meeting in Crimea with Russia to help decide what to do about Ukraine. This is ridiculous, because Crimea is part of Ukraine and Ukraine is its own sovereign nation, and Russia has invaded Crimea and is violating their sovereignty. Russia should get out of there immediately. There is nothing to discuss.

- They're saying that Trump agreed to have Putin come out to visit the US this fall. This appears to be true, and the White House seems to be working on it. They asked Dan Coats, the Director of National Intelligence, about this at a talk he gave today, and he had no idea. So the White House isn't sharing any of these plans with their own intel people.

This administration is a treasonous s*** show.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by ShelC » Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:19 am

Here's a good article relating to all of that:

https://www.newyorker.com/news/letter-f ... al_twitter

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Nodack » Fri Jul 20, 2018 1:33 pm

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/20/politics ... index.html
Texas Republican Rep. Will Hurd writes of this week's summit between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin:

"The president's failure to defend the United States intelligence community's unanimous conclusions of Russian meddling in the 2016 election and condemn Russian covert counterinfluence campaigns and his standing idle on the world stage while a Russian dictator spouted lies confused many but should concern all Americans. By playing into Vladimir Putin's hands, the leader of the free world actively participated in a Russian disinformation campaign that legitimized Russian denial and weakened the credibility of the United States to both our friends and foes abroad."

"As a member of the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, I strongly believe in the importance of Congress's oversight responsibilities and will work with my colleagues to ensure that the administration is taking the Russian threat seriously.
"Without action, we risk losing further credibility in international negotiations with both our friends and foes on critical trade deals, military alliances and nuclear arms."

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:55 pm

Do you guys think this past week was a tipping point for Trump, where we'll look back on the end of his Presidency and say that this week was what caused people to finally turn on him? Or will we all forget about this and move on to the next news of the day?

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Shabazz » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:53 pm

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:55 pm
Do you guys think this past week was a tipping point for Trump, where we'll look back on the end of his Presidency and say that this week was what caused people to finally turn on him? Or will we all forget about this and move on to the next news of the day?
Since the early days of his campaign, I must have thought at least 15 different things would be the tipping point.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Cap » Fri Jul 20, 2018 7:58 pm

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Nodack » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:32 am

I think his supporters will follow him no matter what. All news that isn’t pro Trump news is fake news. Trumps supporters won’t believe anything the FBI says either unless Trump tells them to.

The GOP in Washington I don’t think ever liked Trump. I think they supported him because he is technically one of their own and better to be Trumps friend and hopefully use him to get things you want done than to piss him off and get Trumps wrath. I think it has been very frustrating for the majority of Republicans having to deal with Trump in Washington. He is a loose cannon that can’t be controlled or reasoned with that acts in unpredictable ways. I think they are/were willing to go along for the ride as long as the train stays on the tracks.

The tipping point is when the GOP decides that Trump is more of a liability than an asset. This Russia thing I think is pushing a few of them to their limits. If the FBI comes to the conclusion that Trump did some bad things along with his friends and If the mid terms go badly for the GOP I think we will see a shift in attitudes.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by ShelC » Sat Jul 21, 2018 3:49 am

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Fri Jul 20, 2018 4:55 pm
Do you guys think this past week was a tipping point for Trump, where we'll look back on the end of his Presidency and say that this week was what caused people to finally turn on him? Or will we all forget about this and move on to the next news of the day?
Like I said, i think the tide is turning or has turned against him with the majority of Republicans/conservatives. I don't think this will be a tipping point or anything, but my general feeling is that the normal conservatives (and not the far right fringe element) are more or less worn out with his antics....the lying, the double talk, the questionable policy decisions and how they're being implemented, his dealings with Putin/Russia. I think if given the choice, they'd rather have Pence take over and a more "normal" quiet administration take hold.

I think the mid terms will be very interesting. If there is indeed a "blue wave", Trump will face a lot of backlash. But even then, the Dems will probably screw up the opportunity somehow.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Nodack » Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:20 pm

And right now there seems to be a lack of leadership in the DNC as well. Who is the clear cut favorite to challenge Trump for President? Warren? Sanders? Hillary? Daniels Lawyer? Biden? I know that’s a ways away bit, not really.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Sun Jul 22, 2018 11:27 am

It looks like the FISA applications to perform surveillance on Trump campaign aide and Russian asset Carter Page have just recently leaked. These documents show that House Intel committee chair Devin Nunes was lying in his efforts to discredit the Mueller investigation and claim that it was entirely based on the Steele dossier.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/21/us/p ... -fisa.html

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Nodack » Sun Jul 22, 2018 6:24 pm

That’s been a talking point for awhile.

Another talking point. Trump is trying to better relations with Russia and the Dems just want war with Russia. As if there is no in between our President not being a Russian Puppet and war with Russia.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Indy » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:39 am

Nodack wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:20 pm
And right now there seems to be a lack of leadership in the DNC as well. Who is the clear cut favorite to challenge Trump for President? Warren? Sanders? Hillary? Daniels Lawyer? Biden? I know that’s a ways away bit, not really.
Please don't let it be Sanders. There is a reason he can't get black people to vote for him. And his campaign leader is listed in many of the court documents that came out recently. The amount of Russian touching points between the Trump, Sanders, and Stein teams are crazy.

Warren and Biden are way too old.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by In2ition » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:57 pm

Indy wrote:
Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:39 am
Nodack wrote:
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:20 pm
And right now there seems to be a lack of leadership in the DNC as well. Who is the clear cut favorite to challenge Trump for President? Warren? Sanders? Hillary? Daniels Lawyer? Biden? I know that’s a ways away bit, not really.
Please don't let it be Sanders. There is a reason he can't get black people to vote for him. And his campaign leader is listed in many of the court documents that came out recently. The amount of Russian touching points between the Trump, Sanders, and Stein teams are crazy.

Warren and Biden are way too old.
Gavin Newsom?
Let's Go! Enough of this tanking crap. It's time to win.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Nodack » Mon Jul 23, 2018 11:49 pm

Never heard of him.

Now I have to look him up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gavin_Newsom
Gavin Christopher Newsom (born October 10, 1967) is an American businessman and politician serving as the 49th and current Lieutenant Governor of California, elected in 2010. He previously served as Mayor of San Francisco from 2004 to 2011. Newsom is the Democratic candidate in the 2018 gubernatorial election, after having placed first in the primary on June 5, 2018. He is a national progressive figure who was a prominent early advocate for same sex marriage, universal healthcare, and an influential voice in favor of the legalization of cannabis in California.[1]

Newsom attended Redwood High School and graduated from Santa Clara University. After graduation, he founded the PlumpJack wine store with family friend Gordon Getty as an investor. The PlumpJack Group now manages 23 businesses, including wineries, restaurants, and hotels. Newsom began his political career in 1996 when San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown appointed him to serve on the city's Parking and Traffic Commission and as a member of the Board of Supervisors the following year. In 2003, Newsom was elected the 42nd Mayor of San Francisco, the city's youngest in a hundred years.[2] Newsom was re-elected in 2007 with 72 percent of the vote.[3][4] He was elected Lieutenant Governor of California in 2010[5] and re-elected in 2014.

Ok, I suppose I should of already heard of the guy judging from the bio. I thought you might be joking at first In2ition but, he actually sounds interesting. Born, raised, schooled, business and politics have all been in California. Republicans hate California politically speaking. Another businessman turned politician. Opens a wine store PlumpJack, The PlumpJack Group now manages 23 businesses, including wineries, restaurants, and hotels. Started his political career on the board of supervisers of the parking and traffic Commission, became Mayor of SF, then re-elected, becomes Lt. Governor and then re-elected.

He sounds interestng. Was married to a FOX News host? There must be some dirt to on the guy somewhere. I’ll have to check him out some more.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by In2ition » Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:37 am

No, not trolling. Trotting out Warren, Hillary, Sanders, and Biden would be the Dems trolling the US, thinking they could win with anyone, imo.
Let's Go! Enough of this tanking crap. It's time to win.

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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Cap » Tue Jul 24, 2018 7:29 am

I’m calling it now: Sacha Baron Cohen makes up a ridiculous character, runs him for POTUS as a joke, and actually wins the nomination.
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Re: Mueller/Russia investigation

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:31 pm

In2ition wrote:
Tue Jul 24, 2018 1:37 am
No, not trolling. Trotting out Warren, Hillary, Sanders, and Biden would be the Dems trolling the US, thinking they could win with anyone, imo.
I agree with you about 3/4 of those: Clinton (won't run), Sanders, and Biden. None of those three should run.

I think you are underestimating Elizabeth Warren. A lot of Democrats looooooove her. And if she starts getting more national attention, her speeches and her work may resonate with undecided voters. She is a stalwart fighter for the rights of Americans over those of corporations and the rich. She has a softer and less divisive version of the kind of progressive politics that made Bernie Sanders so popular, without being overly focused on one issue ("the 1%") like Bernie was.

I think Warren could beat Trump, and she's my current #1 realistic choice for the Democrats' nominee in 2020.

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