Trump 2024

[Nodack]

That sounds like an idiot who is also trying to appease his insane base(for a future political career) & save face with his social circle after he resigned, knowing there was nothing there in another ridiculous witch hunt.

Sounds to me like you just made all that up because you didn’t like what he had to say.

[In2ition]

That sounds like an idiot who is also trying to appease his insane base(for a future political career) & save face with his social circle after he resigned, knowing there was nothing there in another ridiculous witch hunt.

Sounds to me like you just made all that up because you didn’t like what he had to say.

It's just my opinion on the situation. If he so strongly believes that he has this evidence, don't quit and go the easy route, keep fighting.

[Indy]

That sounds like an idiot who is also trying to appease his insane base(for a future political career) & save face with his social circle after he resigned, knowing there was nothing there in another ridiculous witch hunt.

Sounds to me like you just made all that up because you didn’t like what he had to say.

It's just my opinion on the situation. If he so strongly believes that he has this evidence, don't quit and go the easy route, keep fighting.

Who is he supposed to keep fighting? The newly elected politician that gets to make that decision told him he won't bring charges despite all of the evidence.

[In2ition]

It's his job to keep making the case to the newly elected politician that it needs to continue to be pursued. This is what I'd tell him.

[Indy]

I bet you would.

[Mori Chu]

I don't think he is a "pussy" for resigning over this. Being willing to give up his job is arguably more brave than not doing so. Though I do wonder whether it's unethical for him to openly talk about the details of an unfinished investigation publicly the way he has.

[Mori Chu]

Hmm.

[Superbone]

Duh.

[Nodack]

The Trump WH turned ofer all the records of their phone calls to an from on Jan 6 but, conveniently left out all the records from the the time of the assault on the capital. I’m sure they just misplaced them somewhere and didn’t do it intentionally to hide their conversations because that would be unethical.


White House records turned over to House show 7-hour gap in Trump phone log on Jan. 6
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-call ... january-6/
Internal White House records from the day of the attack on the U.S. Capitol that were turned over to the House select committee show a gap in President Donald Trump's phone logs of seven hours and 37 minutes, including the period when the building was being violently assaulted, according to documents obtained by CBS News' chief election & campaign correspondent Robert Costa and The Washington Post's associate editor Bob Woodward.

[Indy]

Nixon erased 18.5 minutes. Trump erased 457 minutes.

[Mori Chu]

Uh.

[Flagrant Fowl]

[Mori Chu]

[Nodack]

I have to hand it to Trump. He keeps finding new ways for me to be disgusted by him.

[Mori Chu]

[In2ition]

Trump sues Hillary Clinton, DNC for more than $70 million over 2016 election, 'spurious' Russia collusion claims
Dan Mangan - Mar 24
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... ar-AAVspW7

• Former President Donald Trump sued Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee and others for allegedly conspiring to "weave a false narrative" during the 2016 election that Trump and his campaign were colluding with Russia.

• The Republican ex-president filed the suit in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida more than five years after defeating Clinton the race that was the subject of the supposed plot.

• It also comes three years after then-special counsel Robert Mueller said his investigation had found that the Trump campaign was "receptive" to help from Russia during his 2016 campaign.

Former President Donald Trump on Thursday sued Hillary Clinton, the Democratic National Committee and others for allegedly conspiring to "weave a false narrative" during the 2016 presidential election that Trump and his campaign were colluding with Russia.

Trump's RICO suit says that Clinton, who was his Democratic opponent in that election, and other defendants as part of the purported scheme falsified evidence, deceived law enforcement authorities and exploited access to "highly-sensitive data sources" in a way that "even the events of Watergate pale in comparison."

The lawsuit seeks more than $72 million in damages, an amount that is triple the $24 million in legal fees and other damages that Trump allegedly has accrued as a result of the defendants' purported conduct.

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Clinton's spokesman on Friday issued a tart single-word statement on Trump's suit: "Nonsense."

The Republican ex-president, who is highly litigious, filed the suit in U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Florida more than five years after defeating Clinton the race that was the subject of the supposed plot to harm his chances in the election.

During the campaign in 2016, Trump had said at a press conference, "Russia, if you're listening — I hope you are able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing," referring to electronic communications that had been deleted from a private email server Clinton used while she was secretary of state.

And the suit comes three years after then-special counsel Robert Mueller said his investigation had found that the Trump campaign was "receptive" to help from Russia during his 2016 campaign.

Trump has claimed that Mueller's investigation, which was the continuation of an FBI probe into Trump campaign contacts with Russia during the 2016 race, was a witch hunt.

But in August 2020, the Senate Intelligence Committee, which at the time was led by Republicans, issued a bipartisan report that found, among other things, that Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort had regularly met and shared information including internal campaign polling data with a Russian intelligence officer.

Trump's suit says that while the scheme was designed to "rig" the 2016 election, "When their gambit failed, and Donald J. Trump was elected, the Defendants' efforts continued unabated, merely shifting their focus to undermining his presidential administration."

The suit alleges violations of the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act, conspiracy, injurious falsehood, malicious prosecution, computer fraud and abuse, theft of trade secrets, and other claims.

In addition to Clinton and the DNC, the defendants include former DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Clinton campaign chief John Podesta, law firm Perkins Coie, research firm Fusion GPS, former FBI officials Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, and Christopher Steele, the ex-British intelligence agent who authored the notorious "Trump-Russia dossier" opposition research report before the election.

"The lawsuit filed today outlines the Defendants' nefarious plot to vilify Donald J. Trump by spreading lies to weave a false narrative that he was colluding with Russia," Trump's lawyer, Alina Habba, said in an emailed statement.

"For years, Hillary Clinton and her cohorts attempted to shield themselves from culpability by directing others to do their dirty work for them. This lawsuit seeks to hold all parties accountable for their heinous acts and uphold the principles of our sacred democracy," Habba said.

[Mori Chu]

^ I mean, okay, but isn't that likely to be tossed out as a frivolous lawsuit? I don't see how he will be able to show damages and that Hillary Clinton herself was responsible for any such damages (as opposed to the media or whomever).

[In2ition]

^ I mean, okay, but isn't that likely to be tossed out as a frivolous lawsuit? I don't see how he will be able to show damages and that Hillary Clinton herself was responsible for any such damages (as opposed to the media or whomever).

It won't get thrown out. They won't be able to get out of the previous direct court rulings on particular things in the suit that showed they were in the wrong. This will most likely end up leading to criminal charges too.

[In2ition]

Nixon erased 18.5 minutes. Trump erased 457 minutes.

Official review of Trump phone logs from January 6 finds record is complete
By: CNN
By Zachary Cohen, Katelyn Polantz, Ryan Nobles, Annie Grayer, Ashley Semler and Jamie Gangel, CNN
Posted: Mar 31, 2022 10:21 PM CDT
https://cbs58.com/news/official-review- ... s-complete

(CNN) -- In the seven hours during which White House records show no phone calls to or from then-President Donald Trump on January 6, 2021, among the calls that are conspicuously absent is one Trump made to then-Vice President Mike Pence that morning from the Oval Office.

While the call is not specifically noted in the presidential diary or the presidential call log, its existence has been corroborated by multiple sources who were with Trump and Pence that day, including former aides who testified before the House select committee investigating the US Capitol attack.

And it's not the only call Trump is known to have made in that timeframe that is not reflected in the records.

The mystery of the seven-hour gap has fueled furious speculation as to why calls are missing. That includes allegations that Trump was using "burner phones" (which he has denied) or that the logs were purposely suppressed.

But the gap might have a less mysterious explanation.

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According to multiple sources familiar with Trump's phone behavior and the White House switchboard records, the January 6 log reflects Trump's typical phone habits. He mainly placed calls through the switchboard when he was in the residence but rarely used it when he was in the Oval Office. The fact the log does not show calls on January 6, 2021, from the Oval Office is not unusual, said the sources, because Trump typically had staff either place calls directly for him on landlines or cell phones. Those calls would not be noted on the switchboard log.

The six pages of White House switchboard logs for January 6, 2021, are completely based on an official review of White House records, according to a source familiar with the matter. There are no missing pages and the seven-hour gap is likely explained by use of White House landlines, White House cell phones and personal cell phones that do not go through the switchboard.

The missing calls also underscore something more endemic: the imperfect and antiquated system of tracking a president's communications.

The White House call log is generated by a switchboard system that dates back to the 1960s, according to the National Archives. The version installed in 1963 was already considered "somewhat outdated" just two decades later.

And it's certainly not one suited for the era of cell phones and text messages or to a President well known for his efforts to circumvent official channels of communications.


Bypassing the call log


There could be various reasons that explain the gap in the call log itself.

One possibility is that Trump was speaking to people from a cell phone. As CNN has previously reported, Trump had a habit of using his and other people's phones to make or receive calls.

Another explanation could be that Trump had aides place direct calls from the Oval Office, bypassing the switchboard.

A former White House staffer who served in the Obama administration told CNN that if then-President Barrack Obama wanted to make a call to someone from the Oval Office, he would normally ask an aide seated nearby to dial the person. The aide would then call the number and hit transfer to connect the caller to the President.

That call would not go through the White House switchboard and therefore would not be recorded on the White House switchboard log, the former staffer said.

Another factor seems to be where Trump was when he made certain calls. All the calls noted from the January 6 log indicate they were made from the White House residence, suggesting Trump relied on the switchboard to put those calls through. The missing calls appear to start when the diary notes Trump has moved from the residence to the Oval Office.

Trump used the switchboard more often when he was in the private residence, according to multiple sources. But when he was in the Oval Office, the former President would often direct aides sitting outside his office to get certain lawmakers or allies of his on the phone.

Two former Trump officials believe this, plus the chaotic nature of the West Wing on January 6, is what led to the gaps in the call logs.

Calls also should have been documented in the Presidential Daily Diary, which is compiled by an Archives employee detailed to the White House. While it's supposed to include "impromptu moments such as staff member drop-ins and telephone calls," the diarist's account is only as good as the information he or she receives from the President's staff.

The former Obama staffer also acknowledged this process was more of an honor system and dependent on how meticulous aides serving in other administrations were or what instructions they were given.

No explanation has been given so far why calls known to have been made in the hours Trump was in the Oval Office are not documented in the presidential diary.



Chaotic record-keeping


Multiple sources have described the record-keeping during the Trump administration as generally chaotic. Those sources, as well as witnesses who have testified as part of previous congressional investigations related to the former President's conduct described Trump as deeply suspicious of the White House switchboard and detailed various ways he sought to avoid having records of certain phone calls from being kept.

A Senate Intelligence report from 2020 includes witness testimony from former aides saying that Trump regularly used the cellphone of his body man, Keith Schiller, to place calls to Republican operative Roger Stone because he did not want his to advisers to know they were talking.

"Trump hated people knowing who he spoke to, including from the residence at night when they went through the switchboard," one former Trump official told CNN.

When John Kelly was Trump's chief of staff, he monitored the switchboard to see who Trump was talking to. Trump would often tell people to hang up and call him back on his cellphone if he didn't want it showing up on the switchboard call log.

When Mark Meadows took over as chief of staff, sources said he restricted the number of White House officials who had access to the call logs, limiting the group to only a small number of top aides.



Filling in the gaps


Despite the gap in the call logs, the House select committee is relying on witness testimony, additional documents and phone records obtained via subpoena to begin piecing together who Trump spoke to that day.

This is especially true for the missing call to Pence. That call is a key point in the House's argument that Trump was taking part in criminal activity, as he kept pressuring Pence to block Congress from certifying the election. Trump has not been charged with any crime.

Pence's former national security adviser, Keith Kellogg, described the call in his testimony before the committee earlier this year, telling investigators that he and other top aides were in the Oval Office with Trump when it took place. He said he could only hear what Trump said, and not Pence's responses.

Kellogg's recounting of the conversation was cited in the committee's letter in late January to Trump's daughter, Ivanka, requesting that she too appear before the panel and cooperate in the probe.

"As January 6th approached, President Trump attempted on multiple occasions to persuade Vice President Pence to participate in his plan. One of the President's discussions with the Vice President occurred by phone on the morning of January 6th," the letter stated.

"You were present in the Oval Office and observed at least one side of that telephone conversation. General Keith Kellogg was also present in the Oval Office during that call, and has testified about that discussion," it added.

CNN reported last month that Ivanka Trump was in discussions to voluntarily appear before the committee for an interview. Others who witnessed the call take place have already testified.

Committee members have said that witness testimony is not the only way they have been able to fill in some of the gaps in official records like the White House logs and daily diary.

"Whether it's a witness who is unwilling to cooperate with us or whether there are gaps in documentation that we have received, we will get that information some other way," Rep. Stephanie Murphy told CNN+'s Kasie Hunt on "The Source" on Wednesday. "Those conversations weren't one-way conversations. There was somebody on the other side of those conversations and we'll get the information that way."

"We're triangulating basically from a lot of different angles and we are getting a fulsome picture of what happened in the run up to and on the day of January 6th," Murphy added.

Mississippi Democratic Rep. Bennie Thompson, the chairman of the select committee, told CNN on Wednesday the panel has not received any vice presidential phone log records from the National Archives.

But earlier this month, Thompson told CNN the committee had "started to receive" vice presidential records, without specifying which ones. The Archives has turned over a tranche of vice presidential records, as well as documents chronicling calls to the vice president that were White House records.

One call is noted in the presidential diary even though it is not in the call log that day.

A document obtained by the House is the President's private schedule, and it shows handwritten notes appearing to capture phone calls with Sen. Kelly Loeffler from 11:17-11:20 a.m., and with "VPOTUS" at 11:20 a.m. on January 6, 2021.

The presidential daily diary handed over to the panel does show Trump placed "a phone call to an unidentified person" at 11:17 a.m. on the morning of January 6 but does not make reference to the 11:20 a.m. call. Neither conversation is reflected in the White House call log.

This story has been updated with additional reporting.

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Lots of people claimed to have spoken to Trump that day. They all must have been lying because there is no record of it and Trump said he had no idea what a burner phone was. That proves he is completely innocent.