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Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:27 am
by JeremyG
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:52 pm
Does the common cold kill 3000 Americans a day?
Adjusting the population of Denmark to that of the US, they've been averaging around 1,100 deaths per day, and the US has been averaging around 2,400 deaths per day.
So it is still killing a lot of people in Denmark, but they are expecting vulnerable people to protect themselves and letting people live freely like they used to.
Liberty and personal responsibility. What a foreign concept to most Americans these days.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:43 pm
by Mori Chu
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:27 am
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:52 pm
Does the common cold kill 3000 Americans a day?
Adjusting the population of Denmark to that of the US, they've been averaging around 1,100 deaths per day, and the US has been averaging around 2,400 deaths per day.
So it is still killing a lot of people in Denmark, but they are expecting vulnerable people to protect themselves and letting people live freely like they used to.
Liberty and personal responsibility. What a foreign concept to most Americans these days.
I thought it was the common cold. How many people die of the common cold every day in the US? Of the flu?
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:11 pm
by specialsauce
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:27 am
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:52 pm
Does the common cold kill 3000 Americans a day?
Adjusting the population of Denmark to that of the US, they've been averaging around 1,100 deaths per day, and the US has been averaging around 2,400 deaths per day.
So it is still killing a lot of people in Denmark, but they are expecting vulnerable people to protect themselves and letting people live freely like they used to.
Liberty and personal responsibility. What a foreign concept to most Americans these days.
So then you don’t believe in speed limits, or traffic lights, or drinking and driving laws right?
If you’re worried, then just don’t drive.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:23 am
by Mori Chu
Still waiting for clarification on this. Does the common cold now kill thousands of people per day? Has it mutated in a way that I was not aware of?
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:43 am
by Nodack
Fact check: You are not more likely to die from the common cold than COVID-19
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKCN26D0XT
“The common cold is generally not lethal, with some rare exceptions”, the Digital Health Lab explains. “The flu, which is deadlier than the common cold, killed 0.1% of the people who contracted it in 2019. It is still too early to discern accurate global death estimates for people who have contracted COVID-19, but estimates have ranged from 1% to 25% of all cases, depending on the country”.
The experts argue that a conservative death rate of 1% would therefore make COVID-19 at least 10 times as deadly as the flu, and therefore “significantly more lethal” than the common cold.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:17 am
by Indy
specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:11 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:27 am
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:52 pm
Does the common cold kill 3000 Americans a day?
Adjusting the population of Denmark to that of the US, they've been averaging around 1,100 deaths per day, and the US has been averaging around 2,400 deaths per day.
So it is still killing a lot of people in Denmark, but they are expecting vulnerable people to protect themselves and letting people live freely like they used to.
Liberty and personal responsibility. What a foreign concept to most Americans these days.
So then you don’t believe in speed limits, or traffic lights, or drinking and driving laws right?
If you’re worried, then just don’t drive.
And we shouldn't regulate what companies do. Liberty and all that. If a company wants to sell tainted meat or pills, people just shouldn't buy them. If GM/Ford want to sell cars that might explode when in minor accidents, don't buy them. If you don't want to drink a ton of carcinogens, don't live in a town down river from a chemical plant. If you don't want to breathe in carcinogens, don't live in a town with a refinery. They shouldn't be forced to curtail their pollution. That's the AMERICAN WAY!
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:21 am
by Indy
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:43 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:27 am
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:52 pm
Does the common cold kill 3000 Americans a day?
Adjusting the population of Denmark to that of the US, they've been averaging around 1,100 deaths per day, and the US has been averaging around 2,400 deaths per day.
So it is still killing a lot of people in Denmark, but they are expecting vulnerable people to protect themselves and letting people live freely like they used to.
Liberty and personal responsibility. What a foreign concept to most Americans these days.
I thought it was the common cold. How many people die of the common cold every day in the US? Of the flu?
Over 900,000 Americans have died from Covid in the last 2 years.
It would take over 25 years of flu deaths to come close to that.
This is such a stupid argument.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:48 pm
by JeremyG
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 8:23 am
Still waiting for clarification on this. Does the common cold now kill thousands of people per day? Has it mutated in a way that I was not aware of?
Lol, I'm not the one who claimed that. That was Denmark's director of infection preparedness.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:51 pm
by JeremyG
Nodack wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:43 am
Fact check: You are not more likely to die from the common cold than COVID-19
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-fact ... SKCN26D0XT
“The common cold is generally not lethal, with some rare exceptions”, the Digital Health Lab explains. “The flu, which is deadlier than the common cold, killed 0.1% of the people who contracted it in 2019. It is still too early to discern accurate global death estimates for people who have contracted COVID-19, but estimates have ranged from 1% to 25% of all cases, depending on the country”.
The experts argue that a conservative death rate of 1% would therefore make COVID-19 at least 10 times as deadly as the flu, and therefore “significantly more lethal” than the common cold.
Omicron is nowhere near a 1% death rate, even among confirmed cases.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 10:57 pm
by JeremyG
Indy wrote: ↑Sun Feb 06, 2022 11:17 am
specialsauce wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 11:11 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Sat Feb 05, 2022 10:27 am
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Fri Feb 04, 2022 9:52 pm
Does the common cold kill 3000 Americans a day?
Adjusting the population of Denmark to that of the US, they've been averaging around 1,100 deaths per day, and the US has been averaging around 2,400 deaths per day.
So it is still killing a lot of people in Denmark, but they are expecting vulnerable people to protect themselves and letting people live freely like they used to.
Liberty and personal responsibility. What a foreign concept to most Americans these days.
So then you don’t believe in speed limits, or traffic lights, or drinking and driving laws right?
If you’re worried, then just don’t drive.
And we shouldn't regulate what companies do. Liberty and all that. If a company wants to sell tainted meat or pills, people just shouldn't buy them. If GM/Ford want to sell cars that might explode when in minor accidents, don't buy them. If you don't want to drink a ton of carcinogens, don't live in a town down river from a chemical plant. If you don't want to breathe in carcinogens, don't live in a town with a refinery. They shouldn't be forced to curtail their pollution. That's the AMERICAN WAY!
You all don't seem to have a very good grasp of the libertarian position.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:08 am
by Indy
Yeah, it is "don't tell me what to do" even if it may prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:10 am
by virtual9mm
There's no doubt that Omicron isn't the killer that Delta was. Let's get everyone vaccinated and let it run free.
Wait. Lol
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:01 am
by Mori Chu
About Denmark removing their mandates / lockdowns: There are some important differences between Denmark and the US. For one, they got Omicron sooner than we did, so they're operating from a future state where Omicron waves are receding. Second and more importantly, they have much better rates of vaccination and general obedience of health guidelines than we do here. When their health experts say to wear masks and quarantine and get vaccinated and do other reasonable health measures, they do it, in a much greater percentage than Americans do. They don't have anything as toxic as the US GOP actively telling half their citizens to do everything they can to defy health guidelines and be unsafe and endanger others. When that toxic force is removed, you can actually relax a lot of the restrictions because people collectively are not such assholes to each other.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:03 am
by Mori Chu
I found this article, and the tweet thread it's part of, interesting. We have a societal trust problem here in the US, and it's getting worse.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:05 am
by Mori Chu
Here's another striking example related to COVID: When 100k Americans were dead, NYT declared it an "incalculable loss"; now that 900k are dead (!), NYT talks about people being tired of it and wanting to get back to normal. We normalize horrifying mass death so quickly.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:48 pm
by JeremyG
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:08 am
Yeah, it is "don't tell me what to do" even if it may prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Covid restrictions do not prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths:
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files ... tality.pdf
The only thing that could prevent deaths is China-style lockdowns. So if you are opposed to China-style lockdowns, then you are saying "'don't tell me what to do' even if it may prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths."
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:54 pm
by JeremyG
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 11:01 am
About Denmark removing their mandates / lockdowns: There are some important differences between Denmark and the US. For one, they got Omicron sooner than we did, so they're operating from a future state where Omicron waves are receding. Second and more importantly, they have much better rates of vaccination and general obedience of health guidelines than we do here. When their health experts say to wear masks and quarantine and get vaccinated and do other reasonable health measures, they do it, in a much greater percentage than Americans do. They don't have anything as toxic as the US GOP actively telling half their citizens to do everything they can to defy health guidelines and be unsafe and endanger others. When that toxic force is removed, you can actually relax a lot of the restrictions because people collectively are not such assholes to each other.
Did you read the article about Denmark that I linked to? They're not wearing masks anymore, and they are at their peak right now. The US has actually come down from its peak much more than Denmark has:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... y/denmark/
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:57 pm
by Indy
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:48 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:08 am
Yeah, it is "don't tell me what to do" even if it may prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Covid restrictions do not prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths:
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files ... tality.pdf
The only thing that could prevent deaths is China-style lockdowns. So if you are opposed to China-style lockdowns, then you are saying "'don't tell me what to do' even if it may prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths."
That 'meta' analysis conveniently only looked at lockdowns, instead of including the #1 mitigation strategy of vaccinations. Everyone knows that only doing a lockdown won't work, because too many people think their desires are more important than the health and safety of their neighbors.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:02 pm
by JeremyG
The death rate of Omicron in the US has been 0.3% of confirmed cases. Infections are usually estimated to be about three times confirmed cases (and the US has had an increase in at-home rapid testing which isn't reported plus difficulty obtaining tests in general, which probably makes it more than three times). So that is a 0.1% infection fatality rate at most, in the United States. In other words, the same estimate the CDC gives for influenza.
Re: Coronavirus
Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2022 3:03 pm
by JeremyG
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:57 pm
JeremyG wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 2:48 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 9:08 am
Yeah, it is "don't tell me what to do" even if it may prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths.
Covid restrictions do not prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths:
https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files ... tality.pdf
The only thing that could prevent deaths is China-style lockdowns. So if you are opposed to China-style lockdowns, then you are saying "'don't tell me what to do' even if it may prevent hundreds of thousands of deaths."
That 'meta' analysis conveniently only looked at lockdowns, instead of including the #1 mitigation strategy of vaccinations. Everyone knows that only doing a lockdown won't work, because too many people think their desires are more important than the health and safety of their neighbors.
If you are opposed to China-style lockdowns, then you think your desires are more important than the health and safety of your neighbors.