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Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:46 pm
by In2ition
https://kitchener.citynews.ca/national- ... rt-5087594
Key convoy organizer Tamara Lich denied bail while Patrick King appears in court
OTTAWA — Tamara Lich, one of the most visible organizers behind protests against COVID-19 restrictions and the Liberal government near Parliament Hill, has been denied bail.
Mia Rabson and Jim Bronskill, The Canadian Press
about 2 hours ago
OTTAWA — Tamara Lich, one of the most visible organizers behind protests against COVID-19 restrictions and the Liberal government near Parliament Hill, has been denied bail.
Another key organizer, Patrick King, is in court for a bail hearing Tuesday where a woman who acknowledges she only met him four weeks ago is offering a surety of half the value of her Alberta home to guarantee his bail.
An Ontario court judge denied Lich bail in Ottawa Tuesday morning, saying she believed there was a substantial likelihood she would reoffend if released.
Justice Julie Bourgeois said the convoy's effect on the community was immense and she felt Lich was obstinate and disingenuous in her responses to the court during her bail hearing on Saturday.
"I cannot be reassured that if I release you into the community that you will not reoffend," Bourgeois said.
"Your detention is necessary for the protection and safety of the public."
Lich appeared in court via a video link, rather than in person.
King, who has been known to promote racist conspiracy theories online, appeared at a separate bail hearing on Tuesday. Only a handful of people were in an Ottawa courtroom for the proceedings while many others watched virtually.
In the prisoner’s box, King wore a grey hoodie emblazoned with the word Odin and had to be reminded by the judge to keep a mask on during the hearing due to COVID-19 restrictions.
At one point King's lawyer tersely directed him to be quiet, saying it was not his time to give evidence.
Alberta resident Kerry Komix is proposing to be a surety for King should he be granted bail. Under the plan, King would live at her home in a spare room.
Komix said she would ensure King followed any bail conditions and attended future court dates, or she would risk forfeiting a $50,000 bond.
"As soon as he’s released he will be in my 24-hour care," she said.
Komix said she was a light sleeper and had an attentive dog.
"I don't see any way he can breach it without my knowledge," she said.
"I will be able to hear every move that he makes."
Under cross-examination by the Crown, Komix said she had known King for four weeks, having travelled to Ottawa herself as part of the trucker convoy.
That prompted further questioning about how well Komix really knows King, as well as about her own beliefs.
The Crown played a videos of King making derogatory statements about different races and appearing pleased that a court order had been required earlier this month to quell the honking of protest trucks.
Komix said the King she knows loves every race.
Just before a break in the proceedings, King was served with papers from the law firm of Paul Champ, which is spearheading a civil action against protest organizers on behalf of downtown Ottawa residents.
The hearing is set to continue Tuesday afternoon.
King, 44, was arrested on Friday and faces charges of mischief, counselling to commit mischief, counselling to commit the offence of disobeying a court order and counselling to obstruct police.
Lich was arrested last Thursday and charged with counselling to commit mischief. She promised during a bail hearing on Saturday to give up her advocacy of the protest and return to Alberta.
Bourgeois reserved her bail decision on Lich until Tuesday.
In addition to holding Lich in custody, Bourgeois ordered Lich to have no contact with King or other convoy organizers Benjamin Dichter, Christopher Barber and Daniel Bulford.
Barber was arrested the same day as Lich and released on bail on Saturday.
Lich's bail decision came the day after the House of Commons voted to support the government's use of measures under the Emergencies Act, which Prime Minister Justin Trudeau invoked last week in a bid to end blockades in Ottawa and at key Canada-U.S. border crossings.
The Liberal government gained the support of New Democrats to get the measures approved.
The Senate is scheduled to start its own debate today on the measures.
Ottawa police said in a statement Monday that officers have made 196 arrests, with 110 facing a variety of charges.
Police also said 115 vehicles connected to the protest have been towed.
This report by The Canadian Press was first published Feb. 22, 2022.
Mia Rabson and Jim Bronskill, The Canadian Press
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:49 pm
by In2ition
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:41 pm
How is it professorial to say the writing was juvenile?
Comments like that was silly, and it seems beneath you. What do you care what it seems like? Maybe the Huffington Post thought so too, but they published it.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:06 pm
by In2ition
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:23 pm
by Indy
In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:49 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 1:41 pm
How is it professorial to say the writing was juvenile?
Comments like that was silly, and it seems beneath you. What do you care what it seems like? Maybe the Huffington Post thought so too, but they published it.
It is an editorial and will drive clicks which is all they want from that side of the house.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:25 pm
by Indy
Wow people really start freaking out when white people are denied bail. I mean there are people of color sitting in jail for over a year awaiting trial on petty crimes and nobody said a word.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:28 pm
by Nodack
Canada a dictatorship.
Lol
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:47 pm
by In2ition
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:25 pm
Wow people really start freaking out when white people are denied bail. I mean there are people of color sitting in jail for over a year awaiting trial on petty crimes and nobody said a word.
Who is saying that POC should be denied bail over petty crimes? All kinds of people say that denying bail for POC over petty crimes is bad. So that makes it ok in this case? This is a bit higher profile case than some other ones that you may be referencing. It is definitely coming off as politically motivated and I wouldn't even doubt that Trudeau made a call to make sure it happened.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:04 pm
by Indy
I think it makes perfect sense if the judge doesn't think Lich will stop committing the crime she is charged with, he shouldn't permit bail.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:04 pm
by Indy
Nodack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:28 pm
Canada a dictatorship.
Lol
right?
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:14 pm
by In2ition
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:04 pm
I think it makes perfect sense if the judge doesn't think Lich will stop committing the crime she is charged with, he shouldn't permit bail.
Detained on *mischief* charges because there is “substantial risk you will… not abide by an order”. Or, she could be released on bail as she should be, and if she breaches that order, then she could be possibly understandably detained. As is, this is a patent injustice.
There have been people arrested recently with violent crimes such as attempted murder that have gotten out right away on bail.
Glad you aren't a judge, Indy. You should put in your signature, "F*** them kids!"
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:27 pm
by Indy
In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:14 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:04 pm
I think it makes perfect sense if the judge doesn't think Lich will stop committing the crime she is charged with, he shouldn't permit bail.
Detained on *mischief* charges because there is “substantial risk you will… not abide by an order”. Or, she could be released on bail as she should be, and if she breaches that order, then she could be possibly understandably detained. As is, this is a patent injustice.
There have been people arrested recently with violent crimes such as attempted murder that have gotten out right away on bail.
Glad you aren't a judge, Indy. You should put in your signature, "F*** them kids!"
If you pose a "substantial risk you will... not abide by an order" and repeat the same crime you are accused of, over and over, it would irresponsible of anyone to let you out on bail. It goes against what the purpose of bail is.
I don't know the details of the case because I didn't read the police report or the accused statements. I am assuming the judge did. Maybe they did, maybe not. And I am not saying the judge was right. I am simply saying that if it is true the judge expects Lich to repeat the crime while awaiting trial, he shouldn't order her release.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:27 pm
by In2ition
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:04 pm
Nodack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:28 pm
Canada a dictatorship.
Lol
right?
None of these actions are Totalitarian. Give me a freaking break.
Even the former leader of Iran is calling them out on Human Rights violations.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:30 pm
by Indy
In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:27 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:04 pm
Nodack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:28 pm
Canada a dictatorship.
Lol
right?
None of these actions are Totalitarian. Give me a freaking break.
Did you rail against the Patriot Act as Totalitarian when it was passed (and extended) that gives the US the same powers over the last +20 years?
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:32 pm
by In2ition
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:27 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:14 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:04 pm
I think it makes perfect sense if the judge doesn't think Lich will stop committing the crime she is charged with, he shouldn't permit bail.
Detained on *mischief* charges because there is “substantial risk you will… not abide by an order”. Or, she could be released on bail as she should be, and if she breaches that order, then she could be possibly understandably detained. As is, this is a patent injustice.
There have been people arrested recently with violent crimes such as attempted murder that have gotten out right away on bail.
Glad you aren't a judge, Indy. You should put in your signature, "F*** them kids!"
If you pose a "substantial risk you will... not abide by an order" and repeat the same crime you are accused of, over and over, it would irresponsible of anyone to let you out on bail. It goes against what the purpose of bail is.
I don't know the details of the case because I didn't read the police report or the accused statements. I am assuming the judge did. Maybe they did, maybe not. And I am not saying the judge was right. I am simply saying that if it is true the judge expects Lich to repeat the crime while awaiting trial, he shouldn't order her release.
It's over the top, and the judge's ties to Trudeau are noted. You really think this is a repeated violent offender and a danger to Canadians? If that's the case, your moral compass needs recalibrating.
Everything that Trudeau has done has been over the top, and it's hardly a surprise that his henchmen do the same. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree with that one.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:34 pm
by In2ition
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:30 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:27 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:04 pm
Nodack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:28 pm
Canada a dictatorship.
Lol
right?
None of these actions are Totalitarian. Give me a freaking break.
Did you rail against the Patriot Act as Totalitarian when it was passed (and extended) that gives the US the same powers over the last +20 years?
Whataboutism? Yes, I thought the Patriot Act was a gross overreach. I still think it is. It's 342 pages were ready to be implemented a day after 9/11, seems fishy to me. And you think she's going to be charged with terrorism? For parking in Ottawa, honking horns in protest? Yikes, man.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:35 pm
by Indy
Who said she is a dangerous violent offender?
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:36 pm
by Indy
In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:34 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:30 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:27 pm
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:04 pm
Nodack wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 2:28 pm
Canada a dictatorship.
Lol
right?
None of these actions are Totalitarian. Give me a freaking break.
Did you rail against the Patriot Act as Totalitarian when it was passed (and extended) that gives the US the same powers over the last +20 years?
Whataboutism? Yes,
I thought the Patriot Act was a gross overreach. I still think it is. It's 342 pages were ready to be implemented a day after 9/11, seems fishy to me.
We are on the same page there.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:37 pm
by In2ition
Indy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:35 pm
Who said she is a dangerous violent offender?
You basically did by comparing it to the Patriot Act, which means she's a terrorist.
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:39 pm
by In2ition
Re: Canada trucker protests
Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:39 pm
by Indy
I am not saying how the police are handling the protestors, or the rhetoric by Canadian leadership, is good. They are doing an awful job with it. I just don't see it as a dictatorship.
Also, thought this was interesting:
ADL Finds 1,100 People Donated to Both Canada Freedom Convoy and Jan. 6 Demonstration
https://www.adl.org/blog/adl-finds-1100 ... onstration