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https://www.buzzfeed.com/kenbensinger/t ... .jj6y4332K

BuzzFeed just published ‘explosive’ documents alleging Trump’s ties to Russia

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*Of the Buzzfeed dossier. As of yet, unverified -- but I would trust the reporting rolling in from reputable sources, namely CNN: The Russians have attempted over a long period of time to compromise Trump with damaging financial and personal info. They obtained info on this operation from an ex-MI6 agent with connections in Russia and Europe. Intelligence pared the raw data they got from the agent down to a two-page dossier that was given to POTUS, PEOTUS, and the "Gang of 8" select members of Congress.

8+ years of communication between him and Kremlin, and 5+ year relationship of cultivating/supporting/assisting Trump by Russia.

They offered him real estate deals IN RUSSIA to further ensnare him, but he declined.

Russia has dirt on Trump hiring Russian prostitutes give golden showers to each other while he watched, supposedly in the room that was bugged with mics and cameras to record the event.

Several users mentioned that we should shift focus away from this, funny as the allegation may be, towards what really matters in this story. The allegations of bribery/blackmail/collusion with a hostile power are what have real teeth here, and what would be most damning claims if proven true. If anyone asks, I would describe those as the meat of the story in order to keep it serious instead of opening with a pee joke or something. But this is just their opinion, and I tend to agree.

Detailed claims of bilateral intelligence sharing back and forth between Trump and Putin. Trump had DNC moles and used US as well as foreign hackers. Trump got info on his opponents, Putin got info on Russian oligarchs + families living in US.

They used the pension system that Russian diplomats used to transfer information back and forth to/from each other as well. It mentions tens of thousands of dollars were sent in addition to the money.

Russia's main goal appears to be driving wedges to cause divisions in the West. They aided Jill Stein, Carter Page and Michael Flynn (the latter two being members of Trump's team) in doing so.

Main goal of DNC emails appeared to be swinging Sanders voters to Trump.

Russia and Trump had a mutual agreement on the DNC hack. Russia released the emails to Wikileaks in return for Trump removing mention of Russian invasion of Crimea in favor of talking about NATO financial commitments in Eastern Europe and the Baltics. Putin wanted people to stop talking Ukraine while also undermining NATO.

Trump's most damning financial commitments are actually in China and other emerging markets. He's paid large bribes and kickbacks there that would've destroyed his campaign if made public.

Hilariously, when Trump said he had few Russian financial investments, that was true, but he has actively sought them out only to be denied. He apparently settled for extensive sexual favors there instead

Trump lawyer Cohen had clandestine meeting with Kremlin operatives in August, held in Prague to try to make it seem less suspicious.

Ukrainian President that Putin installed confided to Putin he DID provide ex-campaign manager Manafort w/ kickbacks that were previously reported. Left no paper trail.

Russia pissed this has gotten so much media coverage. They hoped to push for improved Russian-US relationships regardless of who was elected. Ancillary goal with Clinton was to drive her positions further from Obama's in event she won - they're happy both candidates were anti-TPP because they viewed that as bad for them.

Trump has bribed Russian business interests but worked diligently to obfuscate and eliminate paper trail. Also engaged in Russian sex parties but has likewise bribed or coerced witnesses to be silent. They do believe a particular Russian businessman was intricately linked to Trump would know details.

Manafort/Page/Cohen all highly compromised. They/Trump were apparently offered up to 19% stake in Russian STATE-OWNED oil company Rosneft by its president if they could successfully get Western Russian sanctions lifted. Page expressed interest in this deal, saying sanctions would be lifted.

Once the sh*t started to hit the fan, Cohen was heavily involved in trying to cover up the relationship between Carter/Manafort/himself and Russia.

Mentions that the Trump team AND Russia both paid Romanian hackers to help sabotage Democrats.

Overall goal of electing Trump was to destabilize Western and world order in Russia's favor since he was anti-establishment and so divisive.

I feel it pertinent to mention that CNN mentioned when this broke that the Buzzfeed story and intel therein ARE unverified, BUT US intel officials consider both the ex-MI6 agent source and his Russian sources credible. I'm guessing our intelligence is working to verify or disprove this now, since Comey would not answer when asked if the FBI was currently investigating Russia-campaign connections on Capital hill today.

Let me know if something needs added or if I screwed something up.

u/JustDandy07 is the man. Added a bunch of stuff.

u/whiskystoned, u/sylviecerise and u/TyrionLan1ster made sure I had my TPP bit correct - Russia was AGAINST TPP.

u/Adrian_Bock raised a great point. Trump specifically used Presidential Suite in Russian Ritz-Carlton where Obama/Michelle stayed for his golden shower episode(s) to defile the bed. That's some depraved shit.

u/niknight_ml mentioned that Trump may have helped actually fund the DNC hack itself.

u/pollo_bueno reminded me Rosneft is Russian Government-owned oil.

Edit: Very worthwhile post from u/RedditDawson

Worth mentioning:

Trump supporters are brigading this thread claiming it's all a 4chan troll. There's no proof 4chan is behind this.

4chan user claims to have been sending info to US official as the source for this document

(Rick Wilson whom they are saying they sent it to is denying he is the source or the /pol/ had anything to do with it).



And now there are many Photoshopped screencaps from the document with outrageous scenarios in attempt to discredit the original

Lastly, if you care about investigating this, I'd urge you to call your Senators and ask them to support Senate Bill 27, which calls for the establishment of an independent panel to investigate Russia's cyberattacks. McConnell seems completely feckless in this regard and we've all seen the way Congressional investigations can go. I personally feel a non-partisan panel would be the best option. You can find your Senator contact number here.
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Not getting excited about anything that isn't verified by the minimum of journalistic standards in the current era of fake news.
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This is an interesting story, but it's unclear if anything will come of it. There are also reports out of CNN and BBC now saying that they have inside sources corroborating this stuff. And various folks like Penthouse (ha) are offering large sums of money if anybody can turn over video evidence of it. But we don't have any public evidence of it right now. I think we have to wait and see and not assume that this is true unless more information comes out.

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By the way, did anybody watch Trump's first press conference? It was chilling. He described how he will be "resolving" his conflicts of interest with his businesses. It was a joke. He'll have his kids run the business (great, really impartial), and he says he'll donate the "profits" when foreign dignitaries stay at his hotels, though he says "profits" and not "all revenue." Super sketchy. He also shut down any attempts by CNN, the Washington Post, or BuzzFeed to ask him questions, calling them "fake news" and other names. Instead he called on Breitbart and others.

The dictatorship is about to begin.

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I thought the Suns folder was depressing so I wandered into here. This is worse.

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Marty, do you think he is required to do more than he's done? I realize that you are skeptical and even jaded against him. What do you expect him to do? I don't believe that he's going to be President forever or as you say a Dictator. Also, if all these publications reported fake news stories against you over and over, would you feel inclined to help them out in any way with questions? If you would, you are better man than I.

Didn't Eric Trump also shutdown his charity foundation to make sure it doesn't get accused of "pay for play"? How much of the foundation's money and percentage of money was put into the Trump's pockets and how much was actually handed out to do good works?
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For the story--I agree with the take that it isn't wrong to publish. I take the stance that if it is corroborated that this report (with those two pages) has been shared directly with Trump and Obama, and it is NOT classified since it came from a non-governmental foreign source, it is fair to share it. The story is more about the information being shared with POTUS/PEOTUS than what is actually written in the pages. And as crazy as this sounds, I have a hard time believing Trump would be stupid enough to do that in Russia (unless he was severely compromised by mood altering substances).

For the press conference, that was just crazy. I don't think I have ever seen more of a farce as a presidential news conference. And the way he refuses to answer questions from credentialed reports that are not favorable to him is certainly fascist.

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In2ition wrote:Marty, do you think he is required to do more than he's done? I realize that you are skeptical and even jaded against him. What do you expect him to do? I don't believe that he's going to be President forever or as you say a Dictator. Also, if all these publications reported fake news stories against you over and over, would you feel inclined to help them out in any way with questions? If you would, you are better man than I.

Didn't Eric Trump also shutdown his charity foundation to make sure it doesn't get accused of "pay for play"? How much of the foundation's money and percentage of money was put into the Trump's pockets and how much was actually handed out to do good works?
Just to try and clarify, which story did WaPo put out that was false?

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BTW, I don't know if DJT will do good or bad, all I can do is speculate based on what I read, hear, and disseminate. Along with listening to dissenting opinions on everything. If I felt there was absolutely one unadulterated source of "true and real" information to get my news from, I would lean on that and just take everything else with a grain of salt and insight into each side's psyche.
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Indy wrote:
In2ition wrote:Marty, do you think he is required to do more than he's done? I realize that you are skeptical and even jaded against him. What do you expect him to do? I don't believe that he's going to be President forever or as you say a Dictator. Also, if all these publications reported fake news stories against you over and over, would you feel inclined to help them out in any way with questions? If you would, you are better man than I.

Didn't Eric Trump also shutdown his charity foundation to make sure it doesn't get accused of "pay for play"? How much of the foundation's money and percentage of money was put into the Trump's pockets and how much was actually handed out to do good works?
Just to try and clarify, which story did WaPo put out that was false?
In a very quick search, here is one. http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetar ... cf24c291e5
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How does that have anything to do with Trump?

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Indy wrote:How does that have anything to do with Trump?
You're really asking that question?
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There is no unadulterated source for news. News sites are run by people. People with opinions and motives.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was all Russia's work. Our two countries have been quasi enemies for many decades. I believe they hate us and want revenge for the meddling and sanctions over the years. Putin was the head of the KGB. Their goal is to undermine our faith in our system of government. That report makes it sound like Russia was trying to set up Trump to win and then crush him in the end. They hack everybody but, only release dirt on the Democrats and get Trump elected. Trump has a nice relationship with Russia and has steadfastly defended them on all occasions over his own country much to the chagrin of many. Now Trump is elected and out comes dirt on him right before taking office?

Maybe its just another fake story. Now that Trump is President all stories are fake that aren't from right wing propaganda sites.

Is Putin sitting back laughing at us right now? Did he just play all of us?

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Nodack wrote:There is no unadulterated source for news. News sites are run by people. People with opinions and motives.

It wouldn't surprise me if this was all Russia's work. Our two countries have been quasi enemies for many decades. I believe they hate us and want revenge for the meddling and sanctions over the years. Putin was the head of the KGB. Their goal is to undermine our faith in our system of government. That report makes it sound like Russia was trying to set up Trump to win and then crush him in the end. They hack everybody but, only release dirt on the Democrats and get Trump elected. Trump has a nice relationship with Russia and has steadfastly defended them on all occasions over his own country much to the chagrin of many. Now Trump is elected and out comes dirt on him right before taking office?

Maybe its just another fake story. Now that Trump is President all stories are fake that aren't from right wing propaganda sites.

Is Putin sitting back laughing at us right now? Did he just play all of us?
Even if he didn't have anything to do with this, he probably is laughing his a$$ off thinking "what a bunch of f'n fools".
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No doubt. There is no doubt in my mind that Putin is not a friend to the US.

Last question of the conference.

"Can you stand here today and tell us once and for all that no one in your campaign had contact with Russia leading up to and during the campaign and do you believe that Russia was behind the hacking and what is your message Vladimir Putin right now."

His answer was that "He (Putin) shouldn't be doing it. He won't be doing it. Russia will have much greater respect for our country while I'm leading it than when other people have led it." Then a long winded sermon on how we are hacked all the time and how weak our defenses are against it. He took credit for the GOP not being hacked because he said he wanted strong defenses.

He never did answer the question about whether his campaign had any contact with Russia leading up to and during the campaign. I guess he forgot.

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Nodack wrote:No doubt. There is no doubt in my mind that Putin is not a friend to the US.

Last question of the conference.

"Can you stand here today and tell us once and for all that no one in your campaign had contact with Russia leading up to and during the campaign and do you believe that Russia was behind the hacking and what is your message Vladimir Putin right now."

His answer was that "He (Putin) shouldn't be doing it. He won't be doing it. Russia will have much greater respect for our country while I'm leading it than when other people have led it." Then a long winded sermon on how we are hacked all the time and how weak our defenses are against it. He took credit for the GOP not being hacked because he said he wanted strong defenses.

He never did answer the question about whether his campaign had any contact with Russia leading up to and during the campaign. I guess he forgot.
How convenient.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-1 ... eport-hoax

It was internet trolls. Russia had nothing to do with it. Our media and security agencies are compromised and incompetent.

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Phoenix219 wrote:http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-1 ... eport-hoax

It was internet trolls. Russia had nothing to do with it. Our media and security agencies are compromised and incompetent.
If you looked at my first post, you would see that your little story from a website that appears to have been built by a 2nd grader is invalid / incorrect. The 4chan internet troll claim has been debunked.

Per the person, Rick Wilson, listed as your 4chan source in the article you just linked:



Rick Wilson:
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1. What we had came from /pol.
2. That I was Buzzfeed's source.

Try again, boys."
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https://i.redd.it/xskfhds9719y.png

That is entirely up for debate.

But, believe what you want. I know what the most logical, common sense and reasonable real-life explanation is here. Thats good enough for me.

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Those links prove nothing to me. Some computer voice talking about pizza and pot or something claiming the CIA and CNN are the same I guess. I watched it and went WTF am I even looking at? And somehow it debunked the story?

There are two different things. There is the hacks of the DNC and then todays story about Trump and golden showers.
But, believe what you want. I know what the most logical, common sense and reasonable real-life explanation is here. Thats good enough for me
The most logical, common sense explanation for the DNC hacks is exaclty what the over a dozen US intelligence agencies said it was.

The second thing, just came out and is a leaked story that may or might not be true. I will reserve judgement for now. I trust our government and mainstream media more than I trust Russia and their state run media. That can't be said for half of America.

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