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Trump Nat.Sec advisor Flynn resigns due to scandals and ties to Russia, lying to the administration about those ties, discussing repealing Obama sanctions on Russia before Trump took office, and more.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/m ... use-235019
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... ?ocid=News

This feels like it may be just the first domino of many to fall. They knew about this stuff for a month or more and didn't do anything until it leaked to the press this week.

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Yep, I've heard many people say that today. It's weird how everyone thinks the same thing.
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Meanwhile, Republicans voted to not ask Trump for his taxes. If there's an investigation it looks like it will have to be done by the press.
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I'm sure someone will leak it and/or the press will find out somehow. I'd like to see what's in the nefarious tax returns.
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The Deep State and the holdovers from the previous admin strikes back. Trump should be less worried about russia and more worried about the obama holdovers out to orchestrate a political coup against him.

The IC is wiretapping trump and his cabinet, lol!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/pow ... rman-says/

http://freebeacon.com/national-security ... ust-flynn/

SIGINT content revealed
https://theintercept.com/2017/02/14/the ... -felonies/

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wow, indeed.


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it has sadly come to this: Russians fear trump will be assassinated. U.S. Liberals fear trump will not be assassinated.

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Russians asked Flynn about sanctions. The horror! Ted Kennedy asked Russians to help defeat Reagan. That's Cool! Demonic p. 271

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Blaming Obama for leaks isn't going to make this go away for Trump.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/14/politics/ ... index.html

(CNN)High-level advisers close to then-presidential nominee Donald Trump were in constant communication during the campaign with Russians known to US intelligence, multiple current and former intelligence, law enforcement and administration officials tell CNN.

President-elect Trump and then-President Barack Obama were both briefed on details of the extensive communications between suspected Russian operatives and people associated with the Trump campaign and the Trump business, according to US officials familiar with the matter.

Adding to US investigators' concerns were intercepted communications between Russian officials before and after the election discussing their belief that they had special access to Trump, two law enforcement officials tell CNN.



http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... sian-intel
The FBI has also looked closely at Flynn, businessman and former foreign policy adviser Carter Page, and GOP operative and Trump supporter Roger Stone. All have denied any improper conversation with Russian officials.

The Times also reported that the FBI is currently analyzing the unconfirmed dossier compiled by a former British intelligence operative, Christopher Steele, who alleged that Russian officials had compromising information on Trump.

The report noted that the claims of the document have not been confirmed by the FBI but added that one U.S. official said that the bureau has con tacted several of Steele's sources.

The Times noted that the other aides' conversations were initially discovered by the National Security Agency during a routine foreign surveillance operation.

Following the discovery, the FBI requested that the NSA analyze other intercepted communications and gather intelligence on the Russian operatives to look for any evidence of collusion.


Michael Flynn inadvertently causes huge damage to US-Russian relations
http://www.pravdareport.com/world/ameri ... lations-0/

The Washington Post reported last week that Flynn discussed the issue of anti-Russian sanctions with Russia's ambassador to the United States in December 2016. As a result of the talks, the Kremlin received an illegal signal about the possible easing of the sanctions introduced by the Obama administration for "cyberattacks" during the US presidential election in 2016, the newspaper wrote.

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Ukraine will collapse in 2017, NATO will not help
http://www.pravdareport.com/news/world/ ... ollapse-0/
Italian geopolitical analyst Marco Carlo predicted the collapse of Ukraine in 2017. In his article, published in Notizie Geopolitiche, Carlo suggested that Donald Trump's policy of isolationism will lead to the transformation of Ukraine. As a result of the transformation, Ukraine will find itself in the hands of Europe and Russia.

Russia's natural desire to secure its western border in connection with NATO's eastward expansion has divided Ukraine into zones of European and Russian influence. With the arrival of Donald Trump, Russian President Vladimir Putin will receive an opportunity to significantly reduce or even eliminate the so-called buffer zone that consists of several Russophobian countries in Eastern Europe.

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More from Pravda.

Trump is not America's real problem
http://www.pravdareport.com/opinion/fee ... problem-0/
Trump is the dictator that America was waiting for after 16 years of concentrating unconstitutional powers by President George W Bush and President Barack Obama. It would be naive to think that the US suddenly became fascist in two weeks! It took years to condition the American public to fascism.

Trump is not the real problem. President Trump was caused by a nation gone insane and fascist. The insanity of nuclear war, war crimes and crimes against humanity, ignoring climate change, and the militarization of a police-state has been the insane drumbeat of the US Empire. US fascism did not start with Trump. Trump is the fascist dictator that the national-security-police state has been waiting for.

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Nodack wrote:Blaming Obama for leaks isn't going to make this go away for Trump.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/14/politics/ ... index.html
arent you honestly worried about the tactics and wiretapping used by the deep state to cripple the trump administration?

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Nodack wrote:Ukraine will collapse in 2017, NATO will not help
and what did the obama administration do to stop russia from invading parts of ukraine? (and let's throw in the syria debacle)

edit: and china from weaponizing the south china sea?

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Nodack wrote:More from Pravda.

Trump is not America's real problem
who's the bigger threat to the trump administration? russia or an out of control Intelligence Community?

my advice to the left and ANTIFA: Trump won, get over it.


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Back when wiretapping was a horrible impeachable crime and not a common experience...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074119/reference

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I'm trying to understand what is going on with this. From what I can tell, one side think this is a cover up for something that wasn't even a crime, and find that odd in itself? The other side thinks this is the tip of the iceberg of treason, and are bound and determined to create a story that fits their preconceived ideas that they may have created?
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Every side spins the story their way I suppose. Everybody interprets things differently. I posted news articles from reputable places except maybe Pravda. SDC posts Twitter posts from people we have never heard of.

and what did the obama administration do to stop russia from invading parts of ukraine? (and let's throw in the syria debacle)
He didn't stop them from invading the Ukraine. He punished them with sanctions and beefed up military aid to the Ukraine to shore up their defenses.
edit: and china from weaponizing the south china sea?
Obama complained about the islands, beefed up our military presence in the area and didn't abide by China's new rules about staying out of the area.

Syria? We didn't do much in Syria to stop the bloodshed. We gave aid, armed a few people fighting Assad(GOP will claim they were all terrorists) and offered to take in refugees until Trump was elected and decided they were all terrorists.

Russia stopped their aggression after the sanctions and the increased defenses. The China thing is a stalemate. The Syria thing is just tragic.

So assume Trump isn't a pussy like Obama and declares war on Russia for invading Crimera, Declares war on China for building those islands and sends in hundreds of thousands of troops into Syria. Is that what you guys want, a world war with China and Russia simultaneously? Trump has vowed to stay out of Russia's way and let them do whatever they want. I just posted the article from the Pravda talking about how now that Trump is elected the Ukraine can fall and NATO will crumble.

Trump is ready to kiss Russia's ass but China? Trumps pick for Sec. of Defense has said,

"We’re going to have to send China a clear signal that, first, the island-building stops and, second, your access to those islands also is not going to be allowed.”

China's response,

"If Trump's diplomatic team shapes future Sino-US ties as it is doing now, the two sides had better prepare for a military clash."

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In2ition wrote:I'm trying to understand what is going on with this. From what I can tell, one side think this is a cover up for something that wasn't even a crime, and find that odd in itself? The other side thinks this is the tip of the iceberg of treason, and are bound and determined to create a story that fits their preconceived ideas that they may have created?
The Trump spin on this is that they don't know anything about any Russians and never met with any ever. But, since the intelligence community did intercept several communications between Trump aides and Russian officials then it was UnConstitutional to listen in and their rights were violated but, that they had no idea they were talking to Russian officials.

Those same Russian officials were recorded getting excited that sanctions would be lifted now that Trump was elected right after the election.

The crazy story of the ex British agent detailing all of this and more? It turns out his story is checking out to be true. They haven't verified the sleazy parts or denied them yet but all the times names and dates check out.

The Democratic spin on this is that Trump and his team might have been working with the Russians before the election to sway the election and that Trump and his team had some sort of deal going with Russia to lift the sanctions if he was elected. These aren't preconceived ideas that they created. There is a lot of evidence. Trumps behavior towards Russia defies logic. He's on the verge of war with China over the islands but Russia can take whatever they want and they are a great friend? Since when?

This is more than ideas that they have created. These are real articles written by several real news sites along with people like the British agent and verified by our intelligence community, not some guy I never heard of's Twitter post.

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Bannon believes war with China is inevitable. Tillerson raised a lot of eyebrows with his comments but most people say he's not even knowledgeable about China and the situation with those islands. Trump's already said the One China policy is important and Mattis has remained firm on US commitments to Japan and US allies in the region without putting China on the defensive. China, for its part, has praised Mattis and wants to work through diplomacy. Seems to be just another example of different ideas, philosophies and factions within the Trump Admin. Hopefully, Mattis wins all the arguments because he's the only one who seems to truly understand the global landscape militarily.

With Russia, what would the fallout be if evidence of collusion is found leading all the way to Trump? Impeachment and Pence takes over? Could be possible, but I don't think probable. Flynn is the first to go, there will be others for sure. Whether they get to Trump remains to be seen. He might think he can just go to court and battle for years they way he's always done, while handling his business.

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Nodack wrote:
In2ition wrote:I'm trying to understand what is going on with this. From what I can tell, one side think this is a cover up for something that wasn't even a crime, and find that odd in itself? The other side thinks this is the tip of the iceberg of treason, and are bound and determined to create a story that fits their preconceived ideas that they may have created?
The Trump spin on this is that they don't know anything about any Russians and never met with any ever. But, since the intelligence community did intercept several communications between Trump aides and Russian officials then it was UnConstitutional to listen in and their rights were violated but, that they had no idea they were talking to Russian officials.

Those same Russian officials were recorded getting excited that sanctions would be lifted now that Trump was elected right after the election.

The crazy story of the ex British agent detailing all of this and more? It turns out his story is checking out to be true. They haven't verified the sleazy parts or denied them yet but all the times names and dates check out.

The Democratic spin on this is that Trump and his team might have been working with the Russians before the election to sway the election and that Trump and his team had some sort of deal going with Russia to lift the sanctions if he was elected. These aren't preconceived ideas that they created. There is a lot of evidence. Trumps behavior towards Russia defies logic. He's on the verge of war with China over the islands but Russia can take whatever they want and they are a great friend? Since when?

This is more than ideas that they have created. These are real articles written by several real news sites along with people like the British agent and verified by our intelligence community, not some guy I never heard of's Twitter post.
Wait, the sanctions against Russia didn't happen until well after Trump won the election, not during it as you assert. All this stuff totally seems fabricated on the Dems side. On the Trump side, they are falling into traps created for them and they aren't being smart. It is also seeming that the Reps are also working to undermine Trump. I am not liking or trusting either integrated side right now as they seem to be two sides of the same coin. Both are petty and probably very corrupt and make me very wary of anything coming out to of Washington.

I have seen not one single piece of evidence presented to say that anything of the British agent said was truthful at all. When it comes out to be true, I'll be with you on this, until then I'm skeptical at best.

It feels like there was no real or hard evidence that Russia did anything to affect the election, that the election was attempted to be tampered with, but it was actually by the MSM through (Wikileaks on how the debates were fixed, bogus polls predicted and overall reporting prior that their is absolutely no f'n way that Trump wins, so don't even bother) and state department (since the DHS was caught in a couple states attempting to infiltrate the election machines, Georgia for one). In order to continue that narrative that was pushed and pushed and pushed, they kept doubling down and eventually Obama put sanctions on Russia to continue and cast doubt on the elected President like some spoiled child that didn't win and get their way.
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