Trump accuses Obama of Bugging Trump Tower (with zero evidence)

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Trump accuses Obama of Bugging Trump Tower (with zero evidence)

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this is the kind of stuff that presidents get impeached for, while the heroes get a movie made of their exploits.

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Hack the DNC and podesta, Hillary loses an election. Hack Trump and you get nothing. What does that tell you?

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Who's above suspicion?

The president?

The former president?

the FBI?

The Attorney General?

The CIA?

The NSA?

Getting an independent prosecutor's a snap.

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ever wonder how the private phone conversations between trump and mexican/australian foreign leaders were recorded? CNN couldn't connect the dots. SMH.

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analysis: TRUE


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Once again, ZERO proof, just Trump spewing to deflect and his people talking about it as if it was true because Trump said it. The ex General talking about how bad it would be IF true but offers zero proof other than Trumps ties to Russia are being investigated by the intelligence agencies. Russian spies and high level people are wiretapped by the intelligence community routinely and they did in fact do a LOT of tLking to Trump's people before the election. Trump claiming Obama personally had Trump wiretapped is a baseless claim. In fact Presidents cannot do that.

What we do know. Certain GOP candidates didn't like Trump and hired an British MI6 agent to investigate Trump trying to dig up dirt. He found the ties to Russia and reported it to them. Trump became their horse in the race and they dropped the investigation. The Democrats found out and hired the same guy and reported his findings to the intelligence community who sat on it but, eventually investigated it after the firestorm and media attention forced them to do their jobs. The intelligence community has in fact verified the times, dates and people the MI6 agent reported on.

The Obama wiretapped me stunt is just that. An attempt at deflection like Trump has done dozens of times in the past year on various subjects. Puzzy grabbing? Bills fault. Illegally spending foundation money on pictures of himself and paying his other bills? Investigate Hillary's foundation! Refusing to rent to blacks? Other landlords did it too. Investigate them! Trumps ties to Russia? Investigate Pelosi's ties to Russia and Obama wiretapped me!

Trump says we should all believe him with zero evidence and not believe evidence presented by the media, judges, FBI, Intelligence community or anybody else. After 500+ documented lies in just the past year Trump has ZERO credability with me. Tommow he will Tweet that Pelosi is pregnant with Obama's baby.

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http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/ ... law-214870

There has been a growing body of evidence, however, dating back to a Heat Street article on the eve of the election, indicating that there is at least one FISA warrant targeting people affiliated with Trump. That article claimed a FISA warrant had been issued in connection with an ongoing investigation into suspicious activity between a server in Trump Tower and two foreign banks, SVB Bank and Alfa Bank. The warrant allegedly also encompasses at least four U.S. citizens, and includes the contents of their emails and communications.

Since the election, other outlets such as The Guardian, BBC and McClatchy have reported the existence of an ongoing counterintelligence investigation into potential financial improprieties between Russian financial institutions and Trump associates. According to the BBC and McClatchy, a FISA warrant was allegedly issued on Oct. 15, 2016, although they indicated the warrant does not pertain to any specific U.S. citizens but rather only access to financial records.

In either context, the president’s remarks alleging his phones were “tapped” are simply preposterous and reflect his complete ignorance of how the various surveillance authorities retained by the government over which he now presides actually work. The president cannot, on his own, authorize surveillance of a U.S. citizen. Whether for domestic criminal purposes or foreign intelligence purposes, a court order is required, either through a standard Article III court or the FISC.

Trump is a political and government novice, and this is not the first time he has put his complete ignorance of governmental laws on show for the world to see via Twitter. It would be in his best interests – and in the best interests of the country – for him to start educating himself on the laws and procedures that apply to the government he now runs.

After all, he did audition for the job.

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Would be nice SDC if you'd formulate all of your thoughts into one post instead of creating a thread and following it up with a bunch of one to two sentence conversation with yourself over multiple posts in succession over 30 minutes.

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Former Bush attorney general: Trump likely right about surveillance
http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/ ... rveillance#

Former Attorney General Michael Mukasey on Sunday said that President Trump is likely correct that there was surveillance on Trump Tower for intelligence purposes, but incorrect in accusing former President Barack Obama of ordering the wiretapping.

"A cardinal rule of the Obama Administration was that no White House official ever interfered with any independent investigation led by the Department of Justice," Kevin Lewis said in a statement.

"As part of that practice, neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen," Lewis added. "Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."

Mukasey said if there were a wiretap on Trump Tower, it would mean that there was suspicion someone had been acting as Russian agent.

Fmr Bush AG: Wiretap would mean "there was some basis to believe somebody in Trump Tower may have been acting as an agent of the Russians."

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FBI asked Justice Department to reject Trump claim: report
http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat ... ims-report

FBI Director James Comey reportedly asked the Justice Department this weekend to publicly reject President Trump's claims that former President Barack Obama wiretapped Trump Tower before the election.

Senior American officials told The New York Times on Sunday that Comey has said the president's wiretapping allegations are not true and asked the Justice Department on Saturday to publicly correct the record.

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Clapper: 'No such wiretap activity mounted' on Trump
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/03/05/polit ... index.html
CNN)Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said Sunday that the intelligence agencies he supervised did not wiretap Donald Trump last year nor did the FBI obtain a court order through the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to monitor Trump's phones.

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It's amazing to me that Trump can get away with these baseless accusations. But he learned the art of deflection from his buddy Putin.
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Nodack wrote:Once again, ZERO proof,
you dont know that. let's let this thing play out.

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Superbone wrote:It's amazing to me that Trump can get away with these baseless accusations. But he learned the art of deflection from his buddy Putin.
obama faces congressional inquiry

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... ack-obama/

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Superbone wrote:It's amazing to me that Trump can get away with these baseless accusations. But he learned the art of deflection from his buddy Putin.
if trump hadnt had his communications tapped or hacked by the obama admin, i'll never come to this forum again

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AmareIsGod wrote:Would be nice SDC if you'd formulate all of your thoughts into one post instead of creating a thread and following it up with a bunch of one to two sentence conversation with yourself over multiple posts in succession over 30 minutes.

Typical Timeline of an SDC Created Political Thread:

10:46 - Creates a thread.

10:54 - Follows up with another post right after voicing his opinion and asking a question.

11:08 - Follows up with a Twitter link to appear balanced.

11:14 - Another reply to his original post with a bunch of hypothetical quick hitting two to three word question sentences.

11:20 - Alt-right wing Twitter post time. The troll can sleep (on conjure up hatred and angry thoughts tossing and turning in bed).

How's life SDC? Do you struggle to pull yourself away from the news and try and live your own life from time to time? It must be difficult fighting such regular hatred and fear and a crumbling world around you everyday. Life is hard :cry:
obama going to jail soon.

if you think the podesta emails were bad, just wait for the valerie jarrett emails to come out.

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SDC wrote:
AmareIsGod wrote:Would be nice SDC if you'd formulate all of your thoughts into one post instead of creating a thread and following it up with a bunch of one to two sentence conversation with yourself over multiple posts in succession over 30 minutes.

Typical Timeline of an SDC Created Political Thread:

10:46 - Creates a thread.

10:54 - Follows up with another post right after voicing his opinion and asking a question.

11:08 - Follows up with a Twitter link to appear balanced.

11:14 - Another reply to his original post with a bunch of hypothetical quick hitting two to three word question sentences.

11:20 - Alt-right wing Twitter post time. The troll can sleep (on conjure up hatred and angry thoughts tossing and turning in bed).

How's life SDC? Do you struggle to pull yourself away from the news and try and live your own life from time to time? It must be difficult fighting such regular hatred and fear and a crumbling world around you everyday. Life is hard :cry:
obama going to jail soon.

if you think the podesta emails were bad, just wait for the valerie jarrett emails to come out.
I seriously doubt that is going to happen.
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In2ition wrote:
SDC wrote:
AmareIsGod wrote:Would be nice SDC if you'd formulate all of your thoughts into one post instead of creating a thread and following it up with a bunch of one to two sentence conversation with yourself over multiple posts in succession over 30 minutes.

Typical Timeline of an SDC Created Political Thread:

10:46 - Creates a thread.

10:54 - Follows up with another post right after voicing his opinion and asking a question.

11:08 - Follows up with a Twitter link to appear balanced.

11:14 - Another reply to his original post with a bunch of hypothetical quick hitting two to three word question sentences.

11:20 - Alt-right wing Twitter post time. The troll can sleep (on conjure up hatred and angry thoughts tossing and turning in bed).

How's life SDC? Do you struggle to pull yourself away from the news and try and live your own life from time to time? It must be difficult fighting such regular hatred and fear and a crumbling world around you everyday. Life is hard :cry:
obama going to jail soon.

if you think the podesta emails were bad, just wait for the valerie jarrett emails to come out.
I seriously doubt that is going to happen.
If the stories are correct, Obama or his officials might even face prosecution. But, we are still early in all of this and there are a lot of rumors flying around so the key is if the reports are accurate. We just don’t know at this time. The stories currently are three-fold: first, that Obama’s team tried to get a warrant from a regular, Article III federal court on Trump, and was told no by someone along the way (maybe the FBI), as the evidence was that weak or non-existent; second, Obama’s team then tried to circumvent the federal judiciary’s independent role by trying to mislabel the issue one of “foreign agents,” and tried to obtain a warrant from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act “courts”, and were again turned down, when the court saw Trump named (an extremely rare act of FISA court refusal of the government, suggesting the evidence was truly non-existent against Trump); and so, third, Obama circumvented both the regular command of the FBI and the regularly appointed federal courts, by placing the entire case as a FISA case (and apparently under Sally Yates at DOJ) as a “foreign” case, and then omitted Trump’s name from a surveillance warrant submitted to the FISA court, which the FISA court unwittingly granted, which Obama then misused to spy on Trump and many connected to Trump. Are these allegations true? We don’t know yet, but if any part of them are then Obama and/or his officials could face serious trouble.

Can a President be charged with a crime? Only once out of office. While in office, impeachment remains the exclusive remedy in order to avoid a single judicial branch trying to overturn an election, such as a grand jury in any part of the country could. Once out of office, a President remains immune from civil liability for his duties while President, under a 1982 decision of the United States Supreme Court. However, as the Nixon pardon attests, nothing forecloses a criminal prosecution of the President after his presidency is complete for crimes against the country. Obama, the Constitutional lawyer, should know that.

What crimes could have been committed? Ironically, for Democrats falsely accusing Attorney General Sessions, perjury and conspiracy to commit perjury, as well as intentional violations of FISA. Rather shockingly, no law currently forbids misusing the power of the presidency to spy on one’s adversaries. What the law does forbid is lying to any judicial officer to obtain any means of surveillance. What the law does forbid, under criminal penalty, is the misuse of FISA. Both derive from the protections of the Fourth Amendment itself. Under section 1809, FISA makes it a crime for anyone to either “engage in” electronic surveillance under “color of law” under FISA without following the law’s restrictions, or “disclose” or “use” information gathered from it in contravention of the statute’s sharp constrictions.

http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/yes-oba ... veillance/

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You're delusional man.

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