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The Daily Mail is a British daily middle-market newspaper and news website published in London in a tabloid format.

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The Daily Mail is a British daily middle-market newspaper and news website published in London in a tabloid format.

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So let me get this straight. You're saying that none of the story is true and should be considered up there with as much truth as Sasquatch sightings, Woman is having Insectoid's baby, Kim Kardashian seen with Idris Alba on nude beach type stories? Tabloid format means it's nonsense slanderous stories that are the same as The Onion?
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The Daily Mail is a British daily middle-market newspaper and news website published in London in a tabloid format.

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According to my UK friends, I posed this question to them on "which newspapers in the UK are legitimate and which ones are considered tabloids?"

They responded that the Sun and Mirror are like the Enquirer here. The Guardian is left wing. DailyMail UK edition is ok, but still a bit left. Times is pretty woke. The Telegraph is mostly right wing. The Daily Mail is what they read, and they laughed at your assertion that it was a tabloid, and said they were surprised that anyone would say that.
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Daily Mail is a UK tabloid. Real source, please.
Any of these good for you?


https://nypost.com/2022/05/20/hillary-c ... n-manager/
Hillary Clinton OK’d sharing Trump-Russia ‘data,’ campaign manager says
By Ben Feuerherd and Bruce Golding
May 20, 2022 12:49pm Updated


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nager-says
Hillary Clinton Approved Trump-Russia Leak to Media, Her Campaign Manager Says
  • Alleged link between Trump servers and Russian was discredited
  • Campaign manager testifies he had low confidence in the theory

By Erik Larson
May 20, 2022, 12:47 PM MST Updated on May 20, 2022, 3:54 PM MST


https://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-cl ... opin_pos_3
Hillary Clinton Did It
Her 2016 campaign manager says she approved a plan to plant a false Russia claim with a reporter.
By The Editorial Board
May 20, 2022 6:39 pm ET


https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/20/politics ... index.html
Hillary Clinton personally approved plan to share Trump-Russia allegation with the press in 2016, campaign manager says
Marshall Cohen
By Marshall Cohen, CNN
Updated 6:20 PM ET, Fri May 20, 2022


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hillary-cl ... obby-mook/
Former Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook says Clinton agreed to give Trump-Russia material to reporter
BY PAULINA SMOLINSKI
MAY 20, 2022 / 6:17 PM / CBS NEWS


https://news.yahoo.com/clinton-okd-leak ... 40563.html
Clinton OK'd leak to reporter about alleged Trump-Russia tie, her campaign manager says
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They claim she might have leaked the info from an investigation she, the GOP and the DNC paid a private investigation company to find to a reporter? And that’s a scandal for Clinton somehow? Hiring a private investigator isn’t illegal. Sharing the results of that investigation to a reporter isn’t illegal I am pretty sure.


Have spent a couple hours reading about this subject from both sides. Before I spend hours posting all the links from the various biased sites from both sides I will just do a little Nodack Cliff Notes of my own.

The FBI was investigating Trump ties to Russia. The Dems wanted to be proactive and hired GPS Fusion to investigate Trumps ties to Russia. Fusion hired Steele to do the job. We know about the Steele Dossier and some of the accusations. Some have been disproved and some are inconclusive. Trump was accused by the FBI of obstruction, but the Steele Dossier legally was a nothing burger against Trump and the FBI found nothing of use in it I think.

Trump was elected and hired Barr to run the DOJ. Barr assembled a team to effectively investigate the investigators, headed by federal prosecutor John Durham. Was it retaliation? You make the call.

The Republican side - Clinton hired a lawyer to present fake evidence against Trump to the FBI in order to hit Trump with an October surprise to damage his chances at being elected. They claim the lawyer Michael Sussmann claimed to be a good samaritan, but was actually acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton. (The data given was a possible link between Trump and Alfa Bank, a Russian bank. Turns out the link was some sort of ads for Trump properties in some sort of spam thing connected with the bank. Trump was cleared and the FBI moved on.) The charges against the lawyer being brought are lying to investors about who he was acting on behalf of.

The Democrat side - Michael Sussmann was a lawyer for the DNC, many other Dem candidates and Clinton’s campaign and it was certainly no secret. They claim he met the head of the FBI to give them his info without Clintons knowledge.

My take? Yes, the DNC and Clinton were looking for dirt on Trump just like Trump was clearly trying to look for dirt on Hillary and then Biden. That seems to be standard nowadays. The October surprise wasn’t dirt on Trump, it was the FBI saying they found some new emails of Hilary’s that could shed new light on the investigation. The new emails turned out to be old and a nothing burger along with the nine different Republican Benghazi investigations, but the announcement came right before the election and certainly didn’t help her in any way.

As far as this investigation, Some think it was Trump retaliation against the FBI and Clinton. Clinton didn’t order the FBI investigation. The lawyer thought he was giving the FBI a tips that might show Trump was connected to Russia. Clinton, the DNC and even before that the GOP paid the same GPS Fusion people to investigate Trump for pure political reasons, which is not illegal in any way. If extorting the Ukraine for dirt on Biden isn’t illegal then hiring an investigator certainly isn’t. The lawyer turned over the findings of that investigation to the FBI. The FBI checked it out and it yielded no useful info. Nice try Dems. Your dirt wasn’t dirt after all. The FBI did their job, cleared Trump and Hillary was the one hurt by the FBI, not Trump. At most they might be able to get the lawyer lying on who he was representing when he gave the tip.

This story is just as big as the blockbuster Benghazi scandal and serves the same purpose. The Republicans are trying to say the system was corrupted by the Dems and biased against Trump. Trump becomes President, hires his own hit man as boss of the DOJ and starts his 100% corrupted biased investigation against the FBI and Clinton proving the Cons were right, the system can be corrupted.

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This is such a dumb nothing-burger. Politicians gather oppo research all the time, and they offer it to the media to report on all the time.

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Nodack wrote:
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They claim she might have leaked the info from an investigation she, the GOP and the DNC paid a private investigation company to find to a reporter? And that’s a scandal for Clinton somehow? Hiring a private investigator isn’t illegal. Sharing the results of that investigation to a reporter isn’t illegal I am pretty sure.


Have spent a couple hours reading about this subject from both sides. Before I spend hours posting all the links from the various biased sites from both sides I will just do a little Nodack Cliff Notes of my own.

The FBI was investigating Trump ties to Russia. The Dems wanted to be proactive and hired GPS Fusion to investigate Trumps ties to Russia. Fusion hired Steele to do the job. We know about the Steele Dossier and some of the accusations. Some have been disproved and some are inconclusive. Trump was accused by the FBI of obstruction, but the Steele Dossier legally was a nothing burger against Trump and the FBI found nothing of use in it I think.

Trump was elected and hired Barr to run the DOJ. Barr assembled a team to effectively investigate the investigators, headed by federal prosecutor John Durham. Was it retaliation? You make the call.

The Republican side - Clinton hired a lawyer to present fake evidence against Trump to the FBI in order to hit Trump with an October surprise to damage his chances at being elected. They claim the lawyer Michael Sussmann claimed to be a good samaritan, but was actually acting on behalf of Hillary Clinton. (The data given was a possible link between Trump and Alfa Bank, a Russian bank. Turns out the link was some sort of ads for Trump properties in some sort of spam thing connected with the bank. Trump was cleared and the FBI moved on.) The charges against the lawyer being brought are lying to investors about who he was acting on behalf of.

The Democrat side - Michael Sussmann was a lawyer for the DNC, many other Dem candidates and Clinton’s campaign and it was certainly no secret. They claim he met the head of the FBI to give them his info without Clintons knowledge.

My take? Yes, the DNC and Clinton were looking for dirt on Trump just like Trump was clearly trying to look for dirt on Hillary and then Biden. That seems to be standard nowadays. The October surprise wasn’t dirt on Trump, it was the FBI saying they found some new emails of Hilary’s that could shed new light on the investigation. The new emails turned out to be old and a nothing burger along with the nine different Republican Benghazi investigations, but the announcement came right before the election and certainly didn’t help her in any way.

As far as this investigation, Some think it was Trump retaliation against the FBI and Clinton. Clinton didn’t order the FBI investigation. The lawyer thought he was giving the FBI a tips that might show Trump was connected to Russia. Clinton, the DNC and even before that the GOP paid the same GPS Fusion people to investigate Trump for pure political reasons, which is not illegal in any way. If extorting the Ukraine for dirt on Biden isn’t illegal then hiring an investigator certainly isn’t. The lawyer turned over the findings of that investigation to the FBI. The FBI checked it out and it yielded no useful info. Nice try Dems. Your dirt wasn’t dirt after all. The FBI did their job, cleared Trump and Hillary was the one hurt by the FBI, not Trump. At most they might be able to get the lawyer lying on who he was representing when he gave the tip.

This story is just as big as the blockbuster Benghazi scandal and serves the same purpose. The Republicans are trying to say the system was corrupted by the Dems and biased against Trump. Trump becomes President, hires his own hit man as boss of the DOJ and starts his 100% corrupted biased investigation against the FBI and Clinton proving the Cons were right, the system can be corrupted.
Let's take your points one by one.
I think you misunderstand what the big deal is. They created the Oppo research, knew it was bogus, and then she had her election manager leak it to the press to frame Trump as being connected and compromised by Russia and Putin. Then she tweeted about this like, "Oh, this is outrageous. We can't have this clearly compromised Russian agent as a president. You need to vote for me." Worked on you, didn't it? You ate this shit like you were at an all you can eat buffet.

The Steele Dossier was paid for by parties not yet totally divulged to be created. It was completely made up. The FBI knew it was made up, yet they used it as the main piece of evidence to allow them to set up surveillance through the FISA court. The FBI lied to the court.

It was actually Jeff Sessions that appointed John Durham as the special counsel, well before Barr was appointed and wasn't Trump's decision. Remember when Session recused himself from the Mueller investigation? "Was it retaliation?" If you believe the timeline that you just created, which wasn't even true, then perhaps you could attempt to make that argument.

It wasn't just to hit Trump with an October surprise, this was continued through his term to try to discredit him and say he was an illegitimate president with ties to Russia. It was some evil shit you do to people when you make up lies to undermine their authority and allow a lot of bad actors to feel empowered to cut his legs out from under him at every step, thinking you are being a real patriot. Yes, Sussmann clearly lied to the FBI investigators as he was being paid, not for legal advice on this but to propagate it.

I think you are totally missing the whole point of the allegations. Remember how Nixon got caught lying about knowing that his people broke into the Watergate hotel and into the DNC office to find dirt? This continued actual spying on a Presidential candidate and then INTO his presidency and term, and it was coordinated by the Obama administration. If Watergate was a canoe, this is a aircraft carrier in size difference.

Once again you think this is retaliation by Trump, but you don't understand that this was set up by Sessions independently from and outside of Trump. Trump was not happy that Sessions recused himself from the Mueller witch hunt investigation. Totally fabricating the dossier and the Alpha bank "evidence", the FBI lying about said "evidence" to use it against Trump to illegally obtain the FISA warrant, to then illegally spy on the campaign and then the administration, to railroad and falsely set up and frame several people inside the administration was all highly illegal.

This isn't even close to being done, and it certainly isn't a "nothing burger" as you and Mori wish it to be. It's just the beginning, and what Durham is doing is eliminating and destroying all attempts by Hillary's camp to claim lawyer client privileges for the future on this subject. Isn't it crazy how your one false assumption about Barr is the basis of your entire take?
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It's all a Democrat CONSPIRACY!!!1

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Mori Chu wrote:
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It's all a Democrat CONSPIRACY!!!1
LOL, you have absolutely no clue, do you?
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In2ition wrote:
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Mori Chu wrote:
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LOL, you have absolutely no clue, do you?
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Indy wrote:
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In2ition wrote:
Fri May 20, 2022 6:17 pm
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LOL, you have absolutely no clue, do you?
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Turn it back your way, or prove you know what's going on. Bless us with your wisdom, since you think you know so much.
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It was actually Jeff Sessions that appointed John Durham as the special counsel, well before Barr was appointed and wasn't Trump's decision.
https://www.justice.gov/sco-durham
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On October 19, 2020, John Durham was appointed by Attorney General William Barr to serve as the Special Counsel by the order below.

Order No. 4878-2020

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Durham has been investigating long before Oct 2020. Barr just solidified his position so that the next AG could do nothing about it. Notice how Garland can't stop it?
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In2ition wrote:
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It was actually Jeff Sessions that appointed John Durham as the special counsel, well before Barr was appointed and wasn't Trump's decision.
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Durham has been investigating long before Oct 2020. Barr just solidified his position so that the next AG could do nothing about it. Notice how Garland can't stop it?
Quote from wiki below also proving In2 wrong in that Jeff Session did not appoint Durham, and it was in fact Barr.
In April 2019, Attorney General William Barr announced that he had launched a review of the origins of the FBI's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 United States elections[29][30] and it was reported in May that he had assigned Durham to lead it several weeks earlier.[7]

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You really think and believe this investigation only started in 2019?
On February 22, 2018, John H. Durham was sworn in as the presidentially appointed United States Attorney for the District of Connecticut.

Mr. Durham had served as the interim U.S. Attorney since October 28, 2017, after U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions signed an order appointing him to the position. President Donald Trump nominated Mr. Durham to serve as U.S. Attorney on November 1, 2017, and the U.S. Senate confirmed his nomination on February 16, 2018.
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It's a Democrat CONSPIRACY!!!

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You do know that "US Attorney" =/= "Special Counsel'? And why would Barr lie if he actually appointed him sooner?

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Yes, "technically" Barr appointed him Special Counsel. He's been investigating this much longer, in a different capacity. The appointment of Special Counsel allows him to not be interfered with. Otherwise, the Garland DOJ would have shut down the investigation as soon as Garland was sworn in.
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Ah, so you were only technically wrong. Got it.

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Mori Chu wrote:
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It's a Democrat CONSPIRACY!!!
Perhaps it's bigger than a "Democrat CONSPIRACY!!!"

We do know that there are a lot of people involved. Let's see where this goes. Is Durham cutting out all chances of claiming attorney-client privilege pertaining to Hillary? Looks that way. Many who've worked in the US attorneys office and with Durham say that it looks like he's laying the foundation of a RICO case.
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