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Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:25 pm
by Nodack
Let the people decide...

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:57 am
by Nodack
Hundreds of law professors write to Senate to oppose Kavanaugh
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/409 ... -kavanaugh

More than 650 law professors nationwide signed a letter urging the Senate to reject Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, citing concerns about his temperament during a Senate Judiciary Hearing last week.

"We have differing views about the other qualifications of Judge Kavanaugh," the letter states. "But we are united, as professors of law and scholars of judicial institutions, in believing that he did not display the impartiality and judicial temperament requisite to sit on the highest court of our land."

Among the signatories are 20 professors from Harvard Law School, where Kavanaugh has taught in recent years. The school announced this week that Kavanaugh would not return to teach a scheduled course next semester.

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:16 am
by Mori Chu
Really stunning that none of this matters. They're going to vote him in no matter what.

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:39 am
by Indy
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:16 am
Really stunning that none of this matters. They're going to vote him in no matter what.
Exactly. And this guy will be on the court likely until the 2050s. The last thing any court needs, much less the Supreme Court, is members that think consequences are for other people.

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:40 am
by Indy
Remember this is the same ruling party that decided they would support a child molester so they can keep their power.

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 8:07 am
by Cap
Nodack wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:57 am
Hundreds of law professors write to Senate to oppose Kavanaugh
https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/409 ... -kavanaugh

More than 650 law professors nationwide signed a letter urging the Senate to reject Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh, citing concerns about his temperament during a Senate Judiciary Hearing last week.

"We have differing views about the other qualifications of Judge Kavanaugh," the letter states. "But we are united, as professors of law and scholars of judicial institutions, in believing that he did not display the impartiality and judicial temperament requisite to sit on the highest court of our land."

Among the signatories are 20 professors from Harvard Law School, where Kavanaugh has taught in recent years. The school announced this week that Kavanaugh would not return to teach a scheduled course next semester.
Yeah, I saw that on Fox. Apparently the text of the letter read, in its entirety, “We, the undersigned, are all left-wing radicals determined to bring down America.”

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 11:31 am
by Nodack
Pfft

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Thu Oct 04, 2018 1:07 pm
by In2ition
Indy wrote:
Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:40 am
Remember this is the same ruling party that decided they would support a child molester so they can keep their power.
Dennis Hastert?

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:32 am
by Indy
? No, that was over a decade ago. Roy Moore.

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:24 am
by Mori Chu
Vote to move forward on Kavanaugh passed 51-49. Joe Manchin (D) voted Yes, while Susan Collins and Jeff Flake (R) voted "Yes". This is not the final vote; that will come on Saturday.

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:44 am
by ShelC
Flake played it perfectly. Looked like the hero stalling and calling for an investigation, votes yes anyway.

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:59 am
by In2ition
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:32 am
? No, that was over a decade ago. Roy Moore.
Why isn't he serving a 10 yr sentence?

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:46 am
by Indy
In2ition wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:59 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:32 am
? No, that was over a decade ago. Roy Moore.
Why isn't he serving a 10 yr sentence?
because he wasn't charged with a crime. please tell me you are not saying that those women lied about it...

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:58 am
by In2ition
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 10:46 am
In2ition wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:59 am
Indy wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 5:32 am
? No, that was over a decade ago. Roy Moore.
Why isn't he serving a 10 yr sentence?
because he wasn't charged with a crime. please tell me you are not saying that those women lied about it...
Nope, never said that or even insinuated it. I want to know.

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2018 11:50 am
by Indy
from his wiki page:

Sexual misconduct allegations
Main article: Roy Moore sexual misconduct allegations
During Moore's election campaign for the Senate, a total of nine women accused Moore of inappropriate sexual or social conduct.[121] Three of the women said they had been sexually assaulted by Moore when they were aged 14, 16, and 28.[6] The other six described him pursuing a romantic relationship with them while he was in his 30s and they were as young as 16, but said there had not been any inappropriate sexual contact.[5] Moore denied the sexual assault allegations,[6] but did not dispute that he had approached or dated teenagers over the age of 16 (the age of consent in Alabama).[8][122][123] Independent witnesses confirmed that Moore had a reputation for approaching teenage girls, often at a local mall, and asking them out.[5][123][124]

Of the three women who accused him of sexual assault, Leigh Corfman said that Moore sexually assaulted her in 1979, when she was 14 and he was 32. Moore denied knowing or having contact with Corfman, although her mother confirmed their meeting.

Beverly Young Nelson said that, in December 1977 or January 1978 when she was 16, Moore sexually assaulted her. She said that when she fought him off, he eventually gave up, telling her, "You're just a child, I'm the district attorney. If you tell anyone about this no one will ever believe you." Moore denied Nelson's accusations and that he even knew her at all.

Tina Johnson alleged that when she was 28 in 1991, she had visited Moore in his law office for a legal matter. She said Moore flirted with her, asked questions about her young daughters, and grabbed her buttocks as she left.

Moore has offered contradictory responses on whether he knew his accusers. He had said on November 10 that he did "recognize" the maiden names of Debbie Wesson Gibson and Gloria Thacker Deason (Both Gibson and Deason had alleged that Moore had dated them when they were 17–18) and remembered each "as a good girl". Regarding if he had dated Gibson, Moore said "I can't recall the specific dates because that's been 40 years."[125] On November 27 and November 29, Moore took a different stance, repeatedly stating "I do not know any of these women" while also saying that "pictures of young children – whose names are not mentioned and I do not know – appear conveniently on the opposition's ads ... These allegations are completely false."[126][127]

Prominent Republicans such as John McCain and Mitt Romney called for Moore to drop out of the race after the allegations were reported.[128][129] Other senators withdrew their endorsements of Moore's Senate candidacy.[130][131][132][133] Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell announced that he believes the women who made the accusations and that Moore should "step aside".[134] Speaker of the House Paul Ryan also called for Moore to abandon his campaign.[135] President Donald Trump initially said Moore should step aside if the charges are true, but otherwise expressed support for Moore.[136] Trump later formally endorsed Moore.[137][138] Alabama Republicans have largely defended Moore from the accusations;[139][140] an exception was Richard Shelby, the state's U.S. Senator since 1987, who said two days before the election the accusations against Moore "are believable" and that "Alabama deserves better." He said he wrote in the name of another Republican on his absentee ballot.[110]

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 6:54 pm
by In2ition
https://www.businessinsider.com/brett-k ... on-2018-11

I thought we took all these as gospel truth?

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:26 pm
by Nodack
This one sounds like it was fabricated and they busted her. She should be prosecuted bigly if true. Sounds like she tried todo it anonymously.

Ford is different. She was up front, not anonymously. She had documented her encounter long before Trump was elected. They dismissed her allegations. That wasn’t cool.

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:24 pm
by Mori Chu
"Believe women" means take their allegations seriously and look into them. Not just assume that everything she says is 100% true immediately. In this case, even if people started out from a standpoint of "believing" the woman making the allegation, once they looked into it, it was shown to be a big scam. This is consistent and fine and how it is supposed to work.

"Believe women" =/= "Lock men up the instant they are accused of anything by women"

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:52 am
by Cap
I think the lesson here is that fakes are easily exposed.

Re: Supreme Court justice

Posted: Sat Nov 03, 2018 7:09 am
by Indy
Cap wrote:
Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:52 am
I think the lesson here is that fakes are easily exposed.
I thought it was assume good things about your side are true, and bad things are lies. And, under no circumstances should you dig into either deep enough to find out.