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No civilian needs an AR-15. It's totally ridiculous.
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Republicans want AR-15s for when they violently overthrow the government to stop it from becoming too welcoming to dark skinned people and other undesirables.

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Indy wrote:
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Police at schools do not make your/our kids safer...

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The thing is, yes, McConaughey's speech was emotional. But you just aren't going to get elected Republicans to budge on anything. Appealing to their decency and their better nature is futile. They have abandoned these qualities long ago. They have absolutely no interest in compromising on a core party issue with the hated Democrats. Their own base would ride them out of town on a rail if they do so. Or some nutball from their own party would shoot them. They're not going to go along with any gun restrictions of any kind.

Well-intentioned Dems and moderates need to accept that the GOP is an obstructionist authoritarian party bent on taking power by any means necessary and is utterly unconcerned with the wellbeing of American citizens. Only if you accept what your enemy is can you figure out how to properly confront it.

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Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pm
The thing is, yes, McConaughey's speech was emotional. But you just aren't going to get elected Republicans to budge on anything. Appealing to their decency and their better nature is futile. They have abandoned these qualities long ago. They have absolutely no interest in compromising on a core party issue with the hated Democrats. Their own base would ride them out of town on a rail if they do so. Or some nutball from their own party would shoot them. They're not going to go along with any gun restrictions of any kind.

Well-intentioned Dems and moderates need to accept that the GOP is an obstructionist authoritarian party bent on taking power by any means necessary and is utterly unconcerned with the wellbeing of American citizens. Only if you accept what your enemy is can you figure out how to properly confront it.
I don't think that is true. There are a ton of people I know on the GOP side that are fine with Red Flag, minimum ages, and safe storage laws. Even upping the requirements to own a semi-auto rifle that uses military rounds.

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This is hard to watch, but I won't look away. Clip of a teacher who was shot and wounded in the Uvalde mass shooting. He survived despite bullet wounds to his lung and back, but all 11 of his students were killed (!). He says that the police botched the response and he will never forgive them.


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Indy wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:06 pm
Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pm
The thing is, yes, McConaughey's speech was emotional. But you just aren't going to get elected Republicans to budge on anything. Appealing to their decency and their better nature is futile. They have abandoned these qualities long ago. They have absolutely no interest in compromising on a core party issue with the hated Democrats. Their own base would ride them out of town on a rail if they do so. Or some nutball from their own party would shoot them. They're not going to go along with any gun restrictions of any kind.

Well-intentioned Dems and moderates need to accept that the GOP is an obstructionist authoritarian party bent on taking power by any means necessary and is utterly unconcerned with the wellbeing of American citizens. Only if you accept what your enemy is can you figure out how to properly confront it.
I don't think that is true. There are a ton of people I know on the GOP side that are fine with Red Flag, minimum ages, and safe storage laws. Even upping the requirements to own a semi-auto rifle that uses military rounds.
I'm sure that's true, but I doubt it would affect their ballot choice when it comes time to vote. If the choice is either a Democrat who'll push for those legislations or a Republican who'll keep the status quo, they'll probably pick the Republican and nothing will change on the matter.
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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:30 pm
Indy wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:06 pm
Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pm
The thing is, yes, McConaughey's speech was emotional. But you just aren't going to get elected Republicans to budge on anything. Appealing to their decency and their better nature is futile. They have abandoned these qualities long ago. They have absolutely no interest in compromising on a core party issue with the hated Democrats. Their own base would ride them out of town on a rail if they do so. Or some nutball from their own party would shoot them. They're not going to go along with any gun restrictions of any kind.

Well-intentioned Dems and moderates need to accept that the GOP is an obstructionist authoritarian party bent on taking power by any means necessary and is utterly unconcerned with the wellbeing of American citizens. Only if you accept what your enemy is can you figure out how to properly confront it.
I don't think that is true. There are a ton of people I know on the GOP side that are fine with Red Flag, minimum ages, and safe storage laws. Even upping the requirements to own a semi-auto rifle that uses military rounds.
I'm sure that's true, but I doubt it would affect their ballot choice when it comes time to vote. If the choice is either a Democrat who'll push for those legislations or a Republican who'll keep the status quo, they'll probably pick the Republican and nothing will change on the matter.
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I also want to be clear that my post was about elected Republicans, not every Republican voter. I think the vast majority of Republican voters are only mildly problematic and are generally being duped by partisan media into fear and hatred of Democrats.

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Mori Chu wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:18 am
I also want to be clear that my post was about elected Republicans, not every Republican voter. I think the vast majority of Republican voters are only mildly problematic and are generally being duped by partisan media into fear and hatred of Democrats.
So by "their own base" you meant other elected GOP members, not their voters? I honestly don't see many GOP office holders getting kicked out of their seat if they supported universal background checks and waiting periods for semi-auto weapons that use military rounds.

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Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:30 pm
Indy wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:06 pm
Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pm
The thing is, yes, McConaughey's speech was emotional. But you just aren't going to get elected Republicans to budge on anything. Appealing to their decency and their better nature is futile. They have abandoned these qualities long ago. They have absolutely no interest in compromising on a core party issue with the hated Democrats. Their own base would ride them out of town on a rail if they do so. Or some nutball from their own party would shoot them. They're not going to go along with any gun restrictions of any kind.

Well-intentioned Dems and moderates need to accept that the GOP is an obstructionist authoritarian party bent on taking power by any means necessary and is utterly unconcerned with the wellbeing of American citizens. Only if you accept what your enemy is can you figure out how to properly confront it.
I don't think that is true. There are a ton of people I know on the GOP side that are fine with Red Flag, minimum ages, and safe storage laws. Even upping the requirements to own a semi-auto rifle that uses military rounds.
I'm sure that's true, but I doubt it would affect their ballot choice when it comes time to vote. If the choice is either a Democrat who'll push for those legislations or a Republican who'll keep the status quo, they'll probably pick the Republican and nothing will change on the matter.
What I am saying is that if the GOP candidate supported those things, they are not going to stop voting for them. I mean some nuts will, but most of these candidates are from heavy GOP leaning districts.

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Katie Porter is awesome.


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Indy wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:35 am
What I am saying is that if the GOP candidate supported those things, they are not going to stop voting for them. I mean some nuts will, but most of these candidates are from heavy GOP leaning districts.
Just the other day a GOP Congressional candidate had to drop out because he made the unforgivable mistake of saying maybe we should regulate AR-15s.

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Mori Chu wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:46 pm
Indy wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:35 am
What I am saying is that if the GOP candidate supported those things, they are not going to stop voting for them. I mean some nuts will, but most of these candidates are from heavy GOP leaning districts.
Just the other day a GOP Congressional candidate had to drop out because he made the unforgivable mistake of saying maybe we should regulate AR-15s.
Because his GOP office holders took back their endorsements. Not his voters.

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Indy wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:01 pm
Mori Chu wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 12:46 pm
Indy wrote:
Wed Jun 08, 2022 8:35 am
What I am saying is that if the GOP candidate supported those things, they are not going to stop voting for them. I mean some nuts will, but most of these candidates are from heavy GOP leaning districts.
Just the other day a GOP Congressional candidate had to drop out because he made the unforgivable mistake of saying maybe we should regulate AR-15s.
Because his GOP office holders took back their endorsements. Not his voters.
That's fine; my main point is about elected Republicans, that they are extreme and won't cooperate or compromise. If elected Republicans can't say moderate things about guns without being run out of town, that's bad. The party (especially the elected officials of that party) is becoming more and more extreme.

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Yeah, I agree with you about them. My point was there are so many life-long GOP voters that support keeping weapons of war out of the hands of people that shouldn't have them.

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Mori Chu wrote:
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Katie Porter is awesome.

Insane. And it falls on deaf ears.
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We deserve everything we are getting.

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