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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Superbone » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:51 am

https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/04/politics ... index.html

I agree with what Beto O'Rourke has to say on the matter and Trump's influence on the increased shootings in America.
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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Nodack » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:58 am

SunsRIt wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 4:25 am
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:46 pm
The blood of the dead in El Paso is on all Trump supporters', and all Republicans', hands. They give them the guns, the hatred, the fear, and the racist rhetoric. All the shooter has to do is pull the trigger.
Go to hell Marty. For you to make an asinine, blanket statement like that is ridiculous. There is just as much, if not more hatred on the left(see Antifa, et al). There have been people beaten in this country for simply wearing a hat someone doesn't like(MAGA). You claim the left is tolerant and respectful of everyone, but you have just shown, once again, that you are far from it. Just because I, and millions of other Americans support Trump, does not mean I am responsible for the death of people at the hands of some deranged kid. The racist rhetoric started long before Trump was in office and will continue long after he leaves. And I am nowhere near racist.

I expect an apology, not an attack from you now.
Number of mass murders committed by Antifa members - 0
Number of mass murders committed by right wingers - Too many to count

Antifa is a group who shows up wherever there is a clash of left and right wingers. They are known to cause trouble and beat up people. I haven’t heard of one incident where one of them showed up and started mowing down civilians.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Superbone » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:08 pm

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2019/08/0 ... ng-center/

The US makes up almost 5% of the world population yet we own 42% of the guns on the planet. Hmm. I wonder why there are so many less senseless gun killings in other countries?
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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Nodack » Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:27 pm

Trump - “They hate America!”

What is a Trump supporter supposed to think when he says that? If they own guns and believe everything Trump says then of course the Media, Democrats, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, FBI, DOJ, Intelligence Community, Dems on the Supreme Court are the “enemy of the people.” Some of Trumps supporters are going to be motivated to defend their nation against all those groups Trump defined as the enemy. Trump takes no responsibility for his actions and his followers and the GOP in Washington follow him right over that cliff.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by SunsRIt » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:00 pm

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:46 am
No apology coming. Your Trump stokes racist hatred with his words and deeds every day. And your GOP keeps the laws in place to put assault weapons in so many hands. You're all to blame. You can go apologize to the relatives of all the dead in El Paso and Dayton for voting for a bigot fascist for President and encouraging the murders. Then we can talk.
I guess I shouldn’t expect any less from a college professor from California.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by SunsRIt » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:02 pm

Nodack wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 12:27 pm
Trump - “They hate America!”

What is a Trump supporter supposed to think when he says that? If they own guns and believe everything Trump says then of course the Media, Democrats, Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, FBI, DOJ, Intelligence Community, Dems on the Supreme Court are the “enemy of the people.” Some of Trumps supporters are going to be motivated to defend their nation against all those groups Trump defined as the enemy. Trump takes no responsibility for his actions and his followers and the GOP in Washington follow him right over that cliff.
A Trump supporter is supposed to think “they” want to run roughshod over the constitution and bend it to their liking.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Nodack » Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:09 pm

Marty has nothing to apologize for. How are they running rough-shot over the Constitution? By trying to stop mass murders? The Constitution doesn’t say anything about the right to mass murder people. It says you have the right to bear arms in a well regulated militia. The founding fathers had no inkling about the weapons of the future. Tanks, rockets, missiles, mortars, .50 cal machine guns, fighter jets are all arms too. You aren’t allowed to have them. Some people think we shouldn’t have military style weapons because you can shoot dozens in less than a minute and cause mass casualties, which we have seen over and over and over and over recently.

The Constitution isn’t made of stone. Slavery was written right into the Constitution and it was Republicans who amended the Constitution. I commend them and the US for that.

The Dayton massacre is still being sorted out. The shooter is dead. Nobody knows the motivation behind this attack yet. The shooters sister and her boyfriend were found dead in a car near the scene.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Indy » Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:59 pm

SunsRIt wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:00 pm
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:46 am
No apology coming. Your Trump stokes racist hatred with his words and deeds every day. And your GOP keeps the laws in place to put assault weapons in so many hands. You're all to blame. You can go apologize to the relatives of all the dead in El Paso and Dayton for voting for a bigot fascist for President and encouraging the murders. Then we can talk.
I guess I shouldn’t expect any less from a college professor from California.
Supporting trump is supporting an out-spoken racist, misogynistic and xenophobic. Supporting that type of a person is what leads to this type of hatred. It doesn't matter if you are a professor in california or a rancher in texas. It is what it is. Some people just thing the "good" of trump outweighs his racism/misogyny/xenophobia/hatred. Anyone that thinks good can come from it are blinded by "party loyalty" or by their own racism. Saying you are not a racist, but you just support racists is no better.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Nodack » Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:56 pm

The Ohio shooter was engaged by police :30 seconds after he started firing and still managed to shoot over 20 people.

The shooter opened fire with a .223-caliber high-capacity rifle with 100-round drum magazines. I didn’t even know they had magazines that large.

:30 is a ridiculously fast response time. What would the carnage be with a 100 round drum magazine if they weren’t able to respond so fast?

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Indy » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:24 pm

Nodack wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 3:56 pm
The Ohio shooter was engaged by police :30 seconds after he started firing and still managed to shoot over 20 people.

The shooter opened fire with a .223-caliber high-capacity rifle with 100-round drum magazines. I didn’t even know they had magazines that large.

:30 is a ridiculously fast response time. What would the carnage be with a 100 round drum magazine if they weren’t able to respond so fast?
I believe the timing they are using is since the first car/officer was dispatched (which means stuff happened, then someone decides to and can call the police, then they dispatch). But either way, they got there very fast and he still could have easily killed that many people. We are so lucky he didn't get into the club and the bouncer kept him out.

And I thought once Bush became president (the 2nd one) we removed all magazine capacity restrictions (federally) and starting allowing things like suppressors to anyone willing to pay the $200 or whatever the tax stamp is.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Indy » Sun Aug 04, 2019 5:47 pm

My bad, Nodack. I had only read estimates of the time, and didn't realize they had some better detail--I just read an NPR report that said it was 30 seconds from his first fired shot.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by carey » Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:05 pm

SunsRIt wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:46 pm
The blood of the dead in El Paso is on all Trump supporters', and all Republicans', hands. They give them the guns, the hatred, the fear, and the racist rhetoric. All the shooter has to do is pull the trigger.
Go to hell Marty. For you to make an asinine, blanket statement like that is ridiculous. There is just as much, if not more hatred on the left(see Antifa, et al). There have been people beaten in this country for simply wearing a hat someone doesn't like(MAGA). You claim the left is tolerant and respectful of everyone, but you have just shown, once again, that you are far from it. Just because I, and millions of other Americans support Trump, does not mean I am responsible for the death of people at the hands of some deranged kid. The racist rhetoric started long before Trump was in office and will continue long after he leaves. And I am nowhere near racist.

I expect an apology, not an attack from you now.
Trump's policies directly impact people of color. If you're not racist you're equally as awful for supporting him in my book.
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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by SunsRIt » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:25 pm

carey wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 6:05 pm
SunsRIt wrote:
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:46 pm
The blood of the dead in El Paso is on all Trump supporters', and all Republicans', hands. They give them the guns, the hatred, the fear, and the racist rhetoric. All the shooter has to do is pull the trigger.
Go to hell Marty. For you to make an asinine, blanket statement like that is ridiculous. There is just as much, if not more hatred on the left(see Antifa, et al). There have been people beaten in this country for simply wearing a hat someone doesn't like(MAGA). You claim the left is tolerant and respectful of everyone, but you have just shown, once again, that you are far from it. Just because I, and millions of other Americans support Trump, does not mean I am responsible for the death of people at the hands of some deranged kid. The racist rhetoric started long before Trump was in office and will continue long after he leaves. And I am nowhere near racist.

I expect an apology, not an attack from you now.
Trump's policies directly impact people of color. If you're not racist you're equally as awful for supporting him in my book.
What policies are those exactly?

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by SunsRIt » Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:29 pm

Indy wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:59 pm
SunsRIt wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:00 pm
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:46 am
No apology coming. Your Trump stokes racist hatred with his words and deeds every day. And your GOP keeps the laws in place to put assault weapons in so many hands. You're all to blame. You can go apologize to the relatives of all the dead in El Paso and Dayton for voting for a bigot fascist for President and encouraging the murders. Then we can talk.
I guess I shouldn’t expect any less from a college professor from California.
Supporting trump is supporting an out-spoken racist, misogynistic and xenophobic. Supporting that type of a person is what leads to this type of hatred. It doesn't matter if you are a professor in california or a rancher in texas. It is what it is. Some people just thing the "good" of trump outweighs his racism/misogyny/xenophobia/hatred. Anyone that thinks good can come from it are blinded by "party loyalty" or by their own racism. Saying you are not a racist, but you just support racists is no better.
And there we go. The war cry of the Democratic party: "You don't agree with me? Then you're a racist.

Who was exactly was I supposed to support in the 2016 election? Hilary? No. Way. In. Hell.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Split T » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:01 pm

SunsRIt wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:29 pm
Indy wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:59 pm
SunsRIt wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:00 pm
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:46 am
No apology coming. Your Trump stokes racist hatred with his words and deeds every day. And your GOP keeps the laws in place to put assault weapons in so many hands. You're all to blame. You can go apologize to the relatives of all the dead in El Paso and Dayton for voting for a bigot fascist for President and encouraging the murders. Then we can talk.
I guess I shouldn’t expect any less from a college professor from California.
Supporting trump is supporting an out-spoken racist, misogynistic and xenophobic. Supporting that type of a person is what leads to this type of hatred. It doesn't matter if you are a professor in california or a rancher in texas. It is what it is. Some people just thing the "good" of trump outweighs his racism/misogyny/xenophobia/hatred. Anyone that thinks good can come from it are blinded by "party loyalty" or by their own racism. Saying you are not a racist, but you just support racists is no better.
And there we go. The war cry of the Democratic party: "You don't agree with me? Then you're a racist.

Who was exactly was I supposed to support in the 2016 election? Hilary? No. Way. In. Hell.
It’s possible to stand for your ideals and beliefs independent of who you vote for. You can be republican and conservative and not support Trump.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Nodack » Sun Aug 04, 2019 11:38 pm

If you made a special trip to find the most Mexicans you could just so you could kill as many as possible... you might be a racist.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Marty [Mori Chu] » Mon Aug 05, 2019 1:10 am

If you support Trump, you have no problem with racism and racist violence. You should be ashamed. In the future nobody will admit to having been a Trump supporter because it'll be like saying you supported the Holocaust.

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by carey » Mon Aug 05, 2019 8:48 am

SunsRIt wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:29 pm

And there we go. The war cry of the Democratic party: "You don't agree with me? Then you're a racist.

Who was exactly was I supposed to support in the 2016 election? Hilary? No. Way. In. Hell.
Exactly why this is on you and everyone who fell for that FOX News and utterly disproven Clinton Cash hogwash. You knew the monster you were voting for and did it anyway.
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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Nodack » Mon Aug 05, 2019 9:29 am

Trump today gives his condolences to the people of Toledo after the tragic event. Oh, it was Dayton? Whatever....

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Re: Acts of domestic terrorism

Post by Indy » Mon Aug 05, 2019 5:13 pm

SunsRIt wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:29 pm
Indy wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 2:59 pm
SunsRIt wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 1:00 pm
Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Sun Aug 04, 2019 8:46 am
No apology coming. Your Trump stokes racist hatred with his words and deeds every day. And your GOP keeps the laws in place to put assault weapons in so many hands. You're all to blame. You can go apologize to the relatives of all the dead in El Paso and Dayton for voting for a bigot fascist for President and encouraging the murders. Then we can talk.
I guess I shouldn’t expect any less from a college professor from California.
Supporting trump is supporting an out-spoken racist, misogynistic and xenophobic. Supporting that type of a person is what leads to this type of hatred. It doesn't matter if you are a professor in california or a rancher in texas. It is what it is. Some people just thing the "good" of trump outweighs his racism/misogyny/xenophobia/hatred. Anyone that thinks good can come from it are blinded by "party loyalty" or by their own racism. Saying you are not a racist, but you just support racists is no better.
And there we go. The war cry of the Democratic party: "You don't agree with me? Then you're a racist.

Who was exactly was I supposed to support in the 2016 election? Hilary? No. Way. In. Hell.
You can hate Hillary. That is totally fine. But supporting Trump means you openly support and voted for a known racist and misogynist and xenophobe. You knew who you were voting for when you did it. You could have voted for anyone via write in. You could have stayed home and decided not to support either. Or supported one of the non-racist 3rd party candidates. But you cast a vote saying that you wanted Donald Trump to be the President of the United States, knowing full well what he was.

Disagreeing with me does not make you a racist. Choosing to support a racist makes you a racist, or at least a racist sympathizer, which isn't any better. Tell me I am wrong with any of the logic here. I will happily eat crow for anything I got wrong.

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