Re: Acts of domestic terrorism
Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:43 am
No civilian needs an AR-15. It's totally ridiculous.
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I don't think that is true. There are a ton of people I know on the GOP side that are fine with Red Flag, minimum ages, and safe storage laws. Even upping the requirements to own a semi-auto rifle that uses military rounds.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pmThe thing is, yes, McConaughey's speech was emotional. But you just aren't going to get elected Republicans to budge on anything. Appealing to their decency and their better nature is futile. They have abandoned these qualities long ago. They have absolutely no interest in compromising on a core party issue with the hated Democrats. Their own base would ride them out of town on a rail if they do so. Or some nutball from their own party would shoot them. They're not going to go along with any gun restrictions of any kind.
Well-intentioned Dems and moderates need to accept that the GOP is an obstructionist authoritarian party bent on taking power by any means necessary and is utterly unconcerned with the wellbeing of American citizens. Only if you accept what your enemy is can you figure out how to properly confront it.
I'm sure that's true, but I doubt it would affect their ballot choice when it comes time to vote. If the choice is either a Democrat who'll push for those legislations or a Republican who'll keep the status quo, they'll probably pick the Republican and nothing will change on the matter.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:06 pmI don't think that is true. There are a ton of people I know on the GOP side that are fine with Red Flag, minimum ages, and safe storage laws. Even upping the requirements to own a semi-auto rifle that uses military rounds.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pmThe thing is, yes, McConaughey's speech was emotional. But you just aren't going to get elected Republicans to budge on anything. Appealing to their decency and their better nature is futile. They have abandoned these qualities long ago. They have absolutely no interest in compromising on a core party issue with the hated Democrats. Their own base would ride them out of town on a rail if they do so. Or some nutball from their own party would shoot them. They're not going to go along with any gun restrictions of any kind.
Well-intentioned Dems and moderates need to accept that the GOP is an obstructionist authoritarian party bent on taking power by any means necessary and is utterly unconcerned with the wellbeing of American citizens. Only if you accept what your enemy is can you figure out how to properly confront it.
Exactly.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:30 pmI'm sure that's true, but I doubt it would affect their ballot choice when it comes time to vote. If the choice is either a Democrat who'll push for those legislations or a Republican who'll keep the status quo, they'll probably pick the Republican and nothing will change on the matter.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:06 pmI don't think that is true. There are a ton of people I know on the GOP side that are fine with Red Flag, minimum ages, and safe storage laws. Even upping the requirements to own a semi-auto rifle that uses military rounds.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pmThe thing is, yes, McConaughey's speech was emotional. But you just aren't going to get elected Republicans to budge on anything. Appealing to their decency and their better nature is futile. They have abandoned these qualities long ago. They have absolutely no interest in compromising on a core party issue with the hated Democrats. Their own base would ride them out of town on a rail if they do so. Or some nutball from their own party would shoot them. They're not going to go along with any gun restrictions of any kind.
Well-intentioned Dems and moderates need to accept that the GOP is an obstructionist authoritarian party bent on taking power by any means necessary and is utterly unconcerned with the wellbeing of American citizens. Only if you accept what your enemy is can you figure out how to properly confront it.
So by "their own base" you meant other elected GOP members, not their voters? I honestly don't see many GOP office holders getting kicked out of their seat if they supported universal background checks and waiting periods for semi-auto weapons that use military rounds.
What I am saying is that if the GOP candidate supported those things, they are not going to stop voting for them. I mean some nuts will, but most of these candidates are from heavy GOP leaning districts.Flagrant Fowl wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 11:30 pmI'm sure that's true, but I doubt it would affect their ballot choice when it comes time to vote. If the choice is either a Democrat who'll push for those legislations or a Republican who'll keep the status quo, they'll probably pick the Republican and nothing will change on the matter.Indy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 10:06 pmI don't think that is true. There are a ton of people I know on the GOP side that are fine with Red Flag, minimum ages, and safe storage laws. Even upping the requirements to own a semi-auto rifle that uses military rounds.Mori Chu wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 6:05 pmThe thing is, yes, McConaughey's speech was emotional. But you just aren't going to get elected Republicans to budge on anything. Appealing to their decency and their better nature is futile. They have abandoned these qualities long ago. They have absolutely no interest in compromising on a core party issue with the hated Democrats. Their own base would ride them out of town on a rail if they do so. Or some nutball from their own party would shoot them. They're not going to go along with any gun restrictions of any kind.
Well-intentioned Dems and moderates need to accept that the GOP is an obstructionist authoritarian party bent on taking power by any means necessary and is utterly unconcerned with the wellbeing of American citizens. Only if you accept what your enemy is can you figure out how to properly confront it.
Just the other day a GOP Congressional candidate had to drop out because he made the unforgivable mistake of saying maybe we should regulate AR-15s.
That's fine; my main point is about elected Republicans, that they are extreme and won't cooperate or compromise. If elected Republicans can't say moderate things about guns without being run out of town, that's bad. The party (especially the elected officials of that party) is becoming more and more extreme.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 1:01 pmBecause his GOP office holders took back their endorsements. Not his voters.