Re: Acts of domestic terrorism
Posted: Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:38 am
Trump supporters do not have a problem with racism. They are enablers and supporters of bigotry. They all should be shunned and shamed.
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Im not a Trump supporter (incredibly far from it), but I dislike this rhetoric. I think the current political climate can really only be diffused by opening up lines of communication, rather than shunning or shaming. We all want a hard-hitting sound bite to really stick it to the other side, but there is pain and fear about important issues on both sides of the aisle, and important points to be made.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:38 amTrump supporters do not have a problem with racism. They are enablers and supporters of bigotry. They all should be shunned and shamed.
I understand that rationale for the last sentence of his post, but do you have any issues with the first two sentences?jonh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:14 amIm not a Trump supporter (incredibly far from it), but I dislike this rhetoric. I think the current political climate can really only be diffused by opening up lines of communication, rather than shunning or shaming. We all want a hard-hitting sound bite to really stick it to the other side, but there is pain and fear about important issues on both sides of the aisle, and important points to be made.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:38 amTrump supporters do not have a problem with racism. They are enablers and supporters of bigotry. They all should be shunned and shamed.
Oh I do have a problem with blanket statements like this— I would say that, currently, many Republicans have been willing to let their desire to achieve their agenda override their aversion to racist, inflammatory rhetoric. I just wouldn’t say that ALL Republicans have been enablers, but I agree that there has been an uncomfortable amount of them that have not spoken out.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:15 pmI understand that rationale for the last sentence of his post, but do you have any issues with the first two sentences?jonh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:14 amIm not a Trump supporter (incredibly far from it), but I dislike this rhetoric. I think the current political climate can really only be diffused by opening up lines of communication, rather than shunning or shaming. We all want a hard-hitting sound bite to really stick it to the other side, but there is pain and fear about important issues on both sides of the aisle, and important points to be made.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:38 amTrump supporters do not have a problem with racism. They are enablers and supporters of bigotry. They all should be shunned and shamed.
I think that’s pretty accurate among the elected officials. Not many of them are willing to speak out against trump. I’m assuming because they think it will cost them their office. I live in a very republican dominated area and there are many people who are outspoken against trump. Their voices just don’t get heard as much because they have no platform.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 10:20 amOkay, well, where are these brave Republicans who think Trump is the worst thing ever? They sure don't say it publicly. The entire party just lets Trump run roughshod over all our governmental and societal norms and lets him stoke fear and division and racism and violence all over the country. No significant portion of the party, neither its politicians nor its normal citizens, has risen up to criticize or challenge or disavow him. This means that either the party members are too cowardly to act, or that they actually approve of and endorse his behavior. Either way, shame on them all.
The phrase was "Trump supporter" not "Republican." I realize nearly all supporters are GOP members, but not all. I know plenty of Republicans that openly criticize him and speak out about his racism and even say they wished they didn't vote for him and won't do it again. I get that.jonh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:36 pmOh I do have a problem with blanket statements like this— I would say that, currently, many Republicans have been willing to let their desire to achieve their agenda override their aversion to racist, inflammatory rhetoric. I just wouldn’t say that ALL Republicans have been enablers, but I agree that there has been an uncomfortable amount of them that have not spoken out.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:15 pmI understand that rationale for the last sentence of his post, but do you have any issues with the first two sentences?jonh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:14 amIm not a Trump supporter (incredibly far from it), but I dislike this rhetoric. I think the current political climate can really only be diffused by opening up lines of communication, rather than shunning or shaming. We all want a hard-hitting sound bite to really stick it to the other side, but there is pain and fear about important issues on both sides of the aisle, and important points to be made.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:38 amTrump supporters do not have a problem with racism. They are enablers and supporters of bigotry. They all should be shunned and shamed.
I have had conversations with Republicans that consider trump to be the worst thing to come from the Republican Party, and others that feel that he is still somehow acting towards “the greater good”.
Ah, I see the distinction. I think that it would be fair to say that Trump supporters are complicit enablers of bigotry--even if they may have issues with racism, by continuing to support trump, they support the things that he spews.Indy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 08, 2019 7:12 pmThe phrase was "Trump supporter" not "Republican." I realize nearly all supporters are GOP members, but not all. I know plenty of Republicans that openly criticize him and speak out about his racism and even say they wished they didn't vote for him and won't do it again. I get that.jonh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 7:36 pmOh I do have a problem with blanket statements like this— I would say that, currently, many Republicans have been willing to let their desire to achieve their agenda override their aversion to racist, inflammatory rhetoric. I just wouldn’t say that ALL Republicans have been enablers, but I agree that there has been an uncomfortable amount of them that have not spoken out.Indy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 2:15 pmI understand that rationale for the last sentence of his post, but do you have any issues with the first two sentences?jonh wrote: ↑Wed Aug 07, 2019 9:14 amIm not a Trump supporter (incredibly far from it), but I dislike this rhetoric. I think the current political climate can really only be diffused by opening up lines of communication, rather than shunning or shaming. We all want a hard-hitting sound bite to really stick it to the other side, but there is pain and fear about important issues on both sides of the aisle, and important points to be made.Marty [Mori Chu] wrote: ↑Tue Aug 06, 2019 8:38 amTrump supporters do not have a problem with racism. They are enablers and supporters of bigotry. They all should be shunned and shamed.
I have had conversations with Republicans that consider trump to be the worst thing to come from the Republican Party, and others that feel that he is still somehow acting towards “the greater good”.
My question was directly at those people that support him, even if they are saying it is for the eventual greater good. I can't see any realistic way you can be a Trump supporter and not be OK with racism and bigotry. You may be a supporter that *says* they don't support his racism/bigotry, but by supporting him you are supporting his racism/bigotry.
https://www.npr.org/2019/08/31/75633044 ... in-midlandPolice say a man hijacked a postal truck and began shooting people at random in the Midland and Odessa areas of Texas on Saturday, leaving at least five people dead and 21 others injured.
I didn't notice that part of it. The person did look little to me. I hope they catch the person soon and put him/her on trial.Superbone wrote: ↑Mon Sep 14, 2020 8:15 pmDidn’t know where to talk about this but have you seen the footage of the perp shooting two LA sheriffs in their car like sitting ducks? Nobody else is saying this but it looks to me like either a little person or a kid. They way he runs, it looks like a little person to me. Is it just me?