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Re: Impeachment

Post by Nodack » Wed Sep 11, 2019 12:27 pm

And if the rules make it difficult for them to vote when the time comes.

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Post by Indy » Wed Sep 11, 2019 1:39 pm

yep

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Mori Chu » Wed Sep 11, 2019 9:47 pm

I think Warren will be the nominee, if Biden loses his lead. I don't think Bernie can win. Too divisive and polarizing.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Indy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:19 am

I think Bernie has a hard time getting non-white, non-young males to vote for him. And he actively says he is not a democrat, despite running for the democratic nomination. that isn't a good way to drum up support beyond polls.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Mori Chu » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:04 am

I agree. Bernie also has almost 100% name recognition already, and almost every voter knows about him and has formed their opinion of him. This means it'd be hard for him to suddenly win over a bunch of voters and surge in the polls. Everybody knows who and what he is already. And frankly Bernie is divisive. I don't think he means harm, but he is actively combative at times with the Democratic party and its leadership in ways that don't endear him to the others in the party. I don't think the party wants him to be the nominee, and this isn't just because of how far left his views are.

By contrast, a candidate such as Warren, Harris, Buttigieg, O'Rourke could win over millions of voters who haven't seen enough of them to make up their mind yet.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Indy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:52 am

I think the more that comes out about Pete and Harris will do more harm than good in a general election. I think Warren has the most to gain. It will be interesting to see all of them head to head for the first time.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Indy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:52 am

Really Biden only has room to fall, not really climb.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Mori Chu » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:37 pm

I think Biden's age and gaffes are going to get him. He keeps forgetting or messing up people's names, places, dates. He thinks things happened when he was VP that were during the Bush or Trump presidency. Etc.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Nodack » Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:57 pm

The liberal media seems to be going after Biden pretty hard. I am getting less fond of him as time goes by too. Too many gaffs and just saying things that aren’t true. Not sure whether to call them lies or he just doesn’t remember. He doesn’t seem inspire confidence at all.

Warren is getting hit pretty hard too. I saw an article about how big business is terrified of her. She was also under attack from msnbc about accepting large donations from big corporations implying that she is a hypocrite.

I am getting worried Trump is going to win again. The only two candidates I like (Pete and Tulsi) have zero chance of winning the nomination. Republicans are going to run on being the anti Socialism party and that resonates with a lot of people.

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Post by Indy » Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:39 pm

I don't think it was MSNBC. It was the former governor of PA that wrote an article saying she is a hypocrite because she used to accept big donor money, and now she doesn't. The problem is the guy that wrote the article is one of the people that takes money from big donors to get in front of candidates. Talk about hypocrisy.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Nodack » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:21 pm

I was watching msnbc and they were discussing it and asked the question, probably brought by that article I assume. I forgot there was another debate and just saw the headlines. It sounds like they are going after each other pretty hard now.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Indy » Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:35 am

I only got through the first 90 minutes or so last night, and there wasn't a lot of attacking each other outside of castro. He went crazy at Biden. I guess that is the way you play when you are last of 10 with no chance in sight of catching up. But it was pretty gross, even if I completely agree with the point he was making.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Superbone » Fri Sep 13, 2019 10:42 am

Indy wrote:
Fri Sep 13, 2019 5:35 am
I only got through the first 90 minutes or so last night, and there wasn't a lot of attacking each other outside of castro. He went crazy at Biden. I guess that is the way you play when you are last of 10 with no chance in sight of catching up. But it was pretty gross, even if I completely agree with the point he was making.
Yeah, bad move. Plus the fact checkers said he was wrong about what he was attacking Biden for with his "old man forgetting" routine. It was not what he had just said.
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Re: Impeachment

Post by Mori Chu » Tue Sep 24, 2019 8:37 pm

It's happening. Nancy Pelosi announces that the House Dems are impeaching Donald Trump.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/09/24/us/p ... trump.html

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Mori Chu » Mon Oct 28, 2019 8:47 am

Trump attends Washington Nationals World Series game. Is booed loudly by the crowd. Then they begin to chant, "Lock him up!" I love it.


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Re: Impeachment

Post by Nodack » Mon Oct 28, 2019 3:05 pm

The “Veterans For Impeachment” sign right behind home plate shown for every pitch probably made Trump happy.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Mori Chu » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:38 am

This is just getting weird and embarrassing. A government official named Alexander Vindman, who served in the military as a Lt. Colonel and got a Purple Heart, expressed concern about the quid pro quos and other talk from the Trump administration, so he has come forward to testify before the impeachment committee. And Trump and many of his cronies, as well as Fox News, are trashing the guy and saying he must be a traitor and a Ukrainian double agent. Really shameful. If you aren't supporting Dear Leader, you're a traitor now.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/2 ... man-061057

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Post by Superbone » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:16 pm

Marty [Mori Chu] wrote:
Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:38 am
This is just getting weird and embarrassing. A government official named Alexander Vindman, who served in the military as a Lt. Colonel and got a Purple Heart, expressed concern about the quid pro quos and other talk from the Trump administration, so he has come forward to testify before the impeachment committee. And Trump and many of his cronies, as well as Fox News, are trashing the guy and saying he must be a traitor and a Ukrainian double agent. Really shameful. If you aren't supporting Dear Leader, you're a traitor now.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/2 ... man-061057
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Re: Impeachment

Post by Mori Chu » Wed Oct 30, 2019 9:49 am

So the House Dems are deciding to take a vote to officially open the impeachment proceedings. My understanding is that this would also make many of the testimonies public rather than behind closed doors.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/2 ... iry-000302

Some Republicans have claimed that they wanted this. But do they really want the whole world to see the damning testimony come out in real time? We'll have to see. FiveThirtyEight did a politics chat about it that I found interesting:

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... es-public/

A few Dems will probably break ranks and vote against opening the hearing. But they should still have enough to move forward with it. Presumably they wouldn't push to a vote if they hadn't already whipped the votes and made sure it would pass.

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Re: Impeachment

Post by Mori Chu » Thu Oct 31, 2019 5:22 pm

The House voted to formally open the impeachment inquiry. Two Dems voted "no": Collin Peterson of Minnesota and Jeff Van Drew of New Jersey. Otherwise it was along party lines. Not a lot of Republican courage here.

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/31/77477786 ... nt-inquiry

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