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War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:12 am
by Marty [Mori Chu]
Trump plans to send 120k troops to go to Iran in preparation for war / military action:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/worl ... -iran.html

And our Iraq embassy is being evacuated in preparation for conflict:

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/ ... on-1324931

Thoughts? Are we about to start another war in the Middle East?

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:51 am
by Superbone
It's his best chance at reelection.

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 8:59 am
by Indy
This is what John Bolton does. There were plenty of people saying it as soon as he was brought it. Expect a war with majority Muslim nations in the mid-east, likely on fabricated evidence.

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 9:41 am
by Nodack
The US, China, Russia, France, Germany and the UK sign a deal with Iran to halt their nuclear program. Republicans call it the Obama deal. Trump is elected and rips up the deal, IMO out of spite. Now instead of peace Trump has ratcheted up the rhetoric and is close to starting another war.

What does China, Russia, France, Germany and the UK think about this?

https://www.armscontrol.org/act/2018-06 ... -sanctions
European Council President Donald Tusk was particularly direct in his criticism, tweeting on May 16 that “[l]ooking at the latest decisions of President Trump, someone could even think: With friends like that, who needs enemies?”

https://www.vox.com/world/2018/5/9/1733 ... e-sanction
European leaders are calling President Trump’s decision to pull out of the Iran nuclear deal a potentially catastrophic mistake. One French diplomat is so furious, he even coined a new description of Trump’s view of the world: “unisolationism.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 43891.html
How the rest of the world is trying to save Iran nuclear deal from Trump’s attempts to sabotage it

EU, Russia and China reach payments deal to counter Trump's Iran move
https://www.axios.com/eu-russia-china-p ... 0eb15.html
The U.K., Germany, France, Russia and China have agreed to establish a special payments system to circumvent U.S. sanctions on Iran stemming from President Trump's unilateral withdrawal from the 2015 nuclear deal, the Financial Times reports.

The big picture: The payments channel would be an alternative to SWIFT, the backbone of the global financial system that allows Iran to get paid for oil, pay for its imports and finance its activities abroad. The five countries involved in the agreement remain committed to doing business with Iran, which the International Atomic Energy Agency says is still complying with the terms of the nuclear deal. President Trump, meanwhile, has threatened that anyone doing business with Iran will not be able to do business with the U.S.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/09/europe- ... hreat.html
‘We reject any ultimatums’: Europe responds firmly to Iran’s nuclear deal threat

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/14/worl ... reats.html
Skeptical U.S. Allies Resist Trump’s New Claims of Threats From Iran

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/05/15/u- ... es-allies/
U.S. Hard-line Stance on Iran Rattles Allies
As Trump’s national security team barrels toward a confrontation in the Persian Gulf, Europe is starting to balk.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/23/opinions ... index.html
The big winner from Trump's Iran oil boycott: Vladimir Putin

https://www.thenation.com/article/iran- ... istration/
The Trump Administration Wants a War with Iran
Neoconservatives in Washington are ready to spark America’s next military disaster—one that may well be worse than the Iraq War.


“In order to get elected, Obama will start a war with Iran”
- DJT 11/ 29/2011

I think it is safe to say that all those countries think Trump is insane.

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 12:05 pm
by In2ition
I haven't put much thought or research on this, but starting a war with Iran seems to be super dumb with or without an election coming up. In fact, I can't see this being good for reelection, imo.

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 12:35 pm
by Indy
In2ition wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:05 pm
I haven't put much thought or research on this, but starting a war with Iran seems to be super dumb with or without an election coming up. In fact, I can't see this being good for reelection, imo.
I am not sure when the last time we were fighting a war and a first term president wasn't re-elected.

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:03 pm
by In2ition
Indy wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:35 pm
In2ition wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 12:05 pm
I haven't put much thought or research on this, but starting a war with Iran seems to be super dumb with or without an election coming up. In fact, I can't see this being good for reelection, imo.
I am not sure when the last time we were fighting a war and a first term president wasn't re-elected.
I understand that, but I think a legitimate reason was used. This feels very made up, imo.

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:04 pm
by Nodack
I looked it up. No wartime President has ever been defeated for re-election.

“Don’t change horses in the middle of the stream.”

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:04 pm
by In2ition
There is always a first time.

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:07 pm
by Nodack
There’s always the first time for everything I suppose.

Nixon sabotaged the end to the Vietnam war to get elected and then used ending the war as the reason to re-elect him.

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:14 pm
by Cap
Nodack wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:04 pm
I looked it up. No wartime President has ever been defeated for re-election.
LBJ chose not to run for re-election because he was sure he would lose. Does that count?

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Wed May 15, 2019 1:28 pm
by Indy
Cap wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:14 pm
Nodack wrote:
Wed May 15, 2019 1:04 pm
I looked it up. No wartime President has ever been defeated for re-election.
LBJ chose not to run for re-election because he was sure he would lose. Does that count?
I think he did run, but realized he would lose so dropped out early. But he still served half of JFK's term and then his own. So he was nearly a 2 term president anyway.

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Thu May 16, 2019 12:17 pm
by Marty [Mori Chu]
There are all kinds of bad rumor mill articles floating around saying that Trump doesn't agree with some of his own advisors and now doesn't want to go to war in Iran? I hate this kind of "palace intrigue" stuff and will mostly judge them on their actions, not leaked rumors about what they might or might not want to do. I just really hope they don't attack Iran. I don't want more wars, especially ones with no real provocation or cause.

Re: War with Iran

Posted: Fri May 24, 2019 3:42 pm
by Marty [Mori Chu]
This is not normal


Re: War with Iran

Posted: Fri Jun 21, 2019 11:15 am
by Marty [Mori Chu]
Trump was about to permit a strike on Iran that would have killed ~150. But he called it off at the last moment. Brinksmanship at its finest! #ArtOfTheDeal