Coronavirus

[Nodack]

Since the first day Fauci contradicted Trump on Covid he became the enemy of the people (Trump) and the GOP has spent a LOT of time trying to bring him down. I am not into killing puppies but, is laser sight clear to me that Fauci has had a huge target on his back by the GOP and therefore all this crap just sounds like vindictive BS to me.

[In2ition]

Since the first day Fauci contradicted Trump on Covid he became the enemy of the people (Trump) and the GOP has spent a LOT of time trying to bring him down. I am not into killing puppies but, is laser sight clear to me that Fauci has had a huge target on his back by the GOP and therefore all this crap just sounds like vindictive BS to me.

So, your saying that if he didn't disagree with Trump, the things he funded to do to puppies and monkeys would be fine with both the left and right? But since he did, it's now thought of as bad by the right, but not the left? You may have not wanted to make it sound that way, but that's what it seems like. Did you actually look at what he funded? Please explain how those experiments are appropriate.

[Nodack]

I’m saying if he didn’t contradict Trump on Covid , the GOP wouldn’t have declared him the enemy and spent a year attacking everything he did and I would be willing to bet this puppy thing would have never came out. Does destroying Fauci somehow make Trump a winner? Fauci holds no office. His job is to protect America from infectious diseases and he has done that for six Presidents in a row. None of them had a problem with him until Trump, who refused to accept ANY recommendations from ANY disease experts because he didn’t want Covid to ruin his plans. He completely sidelined the CDC and even went as far as blocking them from receiving Covid data. Who the F does that? Trump did.

If the GOP found out Blaine Smith (Name I made up) was going to be the next leading Democrat Presidential candidate in the next election they would leave no stone unearthed trying to find some sort of dirt on him they could expose to destroy him. I can see going after the enemy politicians but, making the disease expert in charge of keeping us safe the enemy just because he refused to ignore Covid just so Trump could “look better” is a bridge too far for me.

[In2ition]

I’m saying if he didn’t contradict Trump on Covid , the GOP wouldn’t have declared him the enemy and spent a year attacking everything he did and I would be willing to bet this puppy thing would have never came out. Does destroying Fauci somehow make Trump a winner? Fauci holds no office. His job is to protect America from infectious diseases and he has done that for six Presidents in a row. None of them had a problem with him until Trump, who refused to accept ANY recommendations from ANY disease experts because he didn’t want Covid to ruin his plans. He completely sidelined the CDC and even went as far as blocking them from receiving Covid data. Who the F does that? Trump did.

Idk if this is the case, but it's possible. Many conservatives don't agree with Trump on everything. For example, they don't agree with Trump on the vaccines. It's pretty clear that most of the recommendations by Fauci were wrong and more destructive to the country.

If the GOP found out Blaine Smith (Name I made up) was going to be the next leading Democrat Presidential candidate in the next election they would leave no stone unearthed trying to find some sort of dirt on him they could expose to destroy him. I can see going after the enemy politicians but, making the disease expert in charge of keeping us safe the enemy just because he refused to ignore Covid just so Trump could “look better” is a bridge too far for me.

Wait, doesn't every opposition party "leave no stone unearthed trying to find some sort of dirt on him/her they could expose to destroy him/her"?

I thought it was clear that the numbers were grossly over-reported to make the pandemic worse than what it was? Didn't the numbers of death "from covid" show that it was only 6% of "with covid", which was being used to drive fear and create the illusion to the unknowing that it felt like it was a 90% deadly to anyone that contracted covid? I'm still seeing people act like this is the case. You and I know that's not true, as we both contracted it and survived it without even long haulers problems.

[Mori Chu]

The COVID death count is undercounted, not overcounted. Millions have died from it and many more are still yet to die.

[Indy]

The COVID death count is undercounted, not overcounted. Millions have died from it and many more are still yet to die.

That is not what gatewaypundit says.

[In2ition]

The COVID death count is undercounted, not overcounted. Millions have died from it and many more are still yet to die.

That is not what gatewaypundit says.

You're reading the gatewaypundit now, Indy? That's definitely outside of your bubble.

[Nodack]

I’m saying if he didn’t contradict Trump on Covid , the GOP wouldn’t have declared him the enemy and spent a year attacking everything he did and I would be willing to bet this puppy thing would have never came out. Does destroying Fauci somehow make Trump a winner? Fauci holds no office. His job is to protect America from infectious diseases and he has done that for six Presidents in a row. None of them had a problem with him until Trump, who refused to accept ANY recommendations from ANY disease experts because he didn’t want Covid to ruin his plans. He completely sidelined the CDC and even went as far as blocking them from receiving Covid data. Who the F does that? Trump did.

Idk if this is the case, but it's possible. Many conservatives don't agree with Trump on everything. For example, they don't agree with Trump on the vaccines. It's pretty clear that most of the recommendations by Fauci were wrong and more destructive to the country.

It’s clear to you, not me. His job is to save as many lives as possible. Every virus seems to be different and these really smart disease experts have to figure out as quickly as possible what makes these diseases tick and how to prevent as many lives lost as possible. They don’t automatically know everything about it right away. He said don’t go buy masks at first, so the front line people would have enough. The front line people did end up being short on masks. Eventually mask production was ramped up and then he said everyone wear a mask. Now masks are everywhere. They shut down everything to slow the spread just like just about every other country did because they were worried about hospitals being overrun. Many were. Many were stretched to the limit and people were denied care and died. Five million people have died from it. Yes, shutting down the country is a little destructive. So is millions of people dying from Covid. I’m not a fortune teller but, my guess is a lot more people would have died if zero precautions were taken. You say he was wrong about things. He and the CDC are the premier experts on diseases, not Trump. I will always want to take the advice of the planets top experts over a game show politician who’s only interest was looking good.

If the GOP found out Blaine Smith (Name I made up) was going to be the next leading Democrat Presidential candidate in the next election they would leave no stone unearthed trying to find some sort of dirt on him they could expose to destroy him. I can see going after the enemy politicians but, making the disease expert in charge of keeping us safe the enemy just because he refused to ignore Covid just so Trump could “look better” is a bridge too far for me.

Wait, doesn't every opposition party "leave no stone unearthed trying to find some sort of dirt on him/her they could expose to destroy him/her"?

Yes, to a point. Extorting our allies to get elected is farther than I have seen Biden and Democrats do. I do have a huge problem with the way our leaders are picked. This fight to the death popularity competition it has become where nobody gets elected that doesn’t raise millions of dollars and the media tells us the polar opposite of each other where the other side is always depicted as Satan who wants to destroy America is getting old and dangerous. We need to take the competition out of it somehow.


I thought it was clear that the numbers were grossly over-reported to make the pandemic worse than what it was? Didn't the numbers of death "from covid" show that it was only 6% of "with covid", which was being used to drive fear and create the illusion to the unknowing that it felt like it was a 90% deadly to anyone that contracted covid? I'm still seeing people act like this is the case. You and I know that's not true, as we both contracted it and survived it without even long haulers problems.

Once again, not clear to me. 5 million deaths is the number I last saw. I think 1 million in the US alone. Some people caught it and barely noticed. Some caught it and died. I know several people who have died from it. It’s not fake. Just had to get yet another Covid test because a trumpet player tested positive that was sick on the gig. He spent several hours with me and the rest of the guys.

I know the Republican stance was to ignore Covid, keep all the businesses open, no masks, no vaccines, just let it run it’s course and the strong will survive and the weak will parish because it was Gods will. It’s fake anyway and the same as the cold, masks don’t do anything and the vaccines have bioluminescence chips in them that allows the government to track your movements. Shutting down everything turned everyone into crack addicts and drunks, so it would have been much better if we did absolutely nothing.

[Indy]

The COVID death count is undercounted, not overcounted. Millions have died from it and many more are still yet to die.

That is not what gatewaypundit says.

You're reading the gatewaypundit now, Indy? That's definitely outside of your bubble.

lol
no sane person reads that expecting to read true things.

[In2ition]

The COVID death count is undercounted, not overcounted. Millions have died from it and many more are still yet to die.

That is not what gatewaypundit says.

You're reading the gatewaypundit now, Indy? That's definitely outside of your bubble.

lol
no sane person reads that expecting to read true things.

Mark Twain - “If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.”

And to think, Twain wasn't talking about the gatewaypundit, but the corporate media of the time.

[Indy]

The COVID death count is undercounted, not overcounted. Millions have died from it and many more are still yet to die.

That is not what gatewaypundit says.

You're reading the gatewaypundit now, Indy? That's definitely outside of your bubble.

lol
no sane person reads that expecting to read true things.

Mark Twain - “If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.”

And to think, Twain wasn't talking about the gatewaypundit, but the corporate media of the time.

How ironic that the quote you used is not something Twain/Clemens ever said or wrote.

[In2ition]

That is not what gatewaypundit says.

You're reading the gatewaypundit now, Indy? That's definitely outside of your bubble.

lol
no sane person reads that expecting to read true things.

Denzel Washington - “If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you read the newspaper, you're mis-informed.”

And to think, Twain wasn't talking about the gatewaypundit, but the corporate media of the time.

How ironic that the quote you used is not something Twain/Clemens ever said or wrote.

Damn, you're right, as I've now seen it reported. I've heard that was from Twain from forever. Maybe I should change it to Denzel Washington instead.

[In2ition]

OPINION
How Fauci Fooled America | Opinion
MARTIN KULLDORFF AND JAY BHATTACHARYA
ON 11/1/21 AT 9:30 AM EDT
https://www.newsweek.com/how-fauci-fool ... on-1643839

When the pandemic hit, America needed someone to turn to for advice. The media and public naturally looked to Dr. Anthony Fauci—the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, an esteemed laboratory immunologist and one of President Donald Trump's chosen COVID advisers. Unfortunately, Dr. Fauci got major epidemiology and public health questions wrong. Reality and scientific studies have now caught up with him.

Here are the key issues:

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Natural immunity. By pushing vaccine mandates, Dr. Fauci ignores naturally acquired immunity among the COVID-recovered, of which there are more than 45 million in the United States. Mounting evidence indicates that natural immunity is stronger and longer lasting than vaccine-induced immunity. [Eds.: Long-term trends are still unclear. A recent study reached the opposite conclusion, but was criticized by an author of this op-ed.] In a study from Israel, the vaccinated were 27 times more likely to get symptomatic COVID than the unvaccinated who had recovered from a prior infection.

We have known about natural immunity from disease at least since the Athenian Plague in 430 BC. Pilots, truckers and longshoremen know about it, and nurses know it better than anyone. Under Fauci's mandates, hospitals are firing heroic nurses who recovered from COVID they contracted while caring for patients. With their superior immunity, they can safely care for the oldest and frailest patients with even lower transmission risk than the vaccinated.

Protecting the elderly. While anyone can get infected, there is more than a thousand-fold difference in mortality risk between the old and the young. After more than 700,000 reported COVID deaths in America, we now know that lockdowns failed to protect high-risk older people. When confronted with the idea of focused protection of the vulnerable, Dr. Fauci admitted he had no idea how to accomplish it, arguing that it would be impossible. That may be understandable for a lab scientist, but public health scientists have presented many concrete suggestions that would have helped, had Fauci and other officials not ignored them.

What can we do now to minimize COVID mortality? Current vaccination efforts should focus on reaching people over 60 who are neither COVID-recovered nor vaccinated, including hard-to-reach, less-affluent people in rural areas and inner cities. Instead, Dr. Fauci has pushed vaccine mandates for children, students and working-age adults who are already immune—all low-risk populations—causing tremendous disruption to labor markets and hampering the operation of many hospitals.

School closures. Schools are major transmission points for influenza, but not for COVID. While children do get infected, their risk for COVID death is minuscule, lower than their already low risk of dying from the flu. Throughout the 2020 spring wave, Sweden kept daycare and schools open for all its 1.8 million children ages 1 to 15, with no masks, testing or social distancing. The result? Zero COVID deaths among children and a COVID risk to teachers lower than the average of other professions. In fall 2020, most European countries followed suit, with similar results. Considering the devastating effects of school closures on children, Dr. Fauci's advocacy for school closures may be the single biggest mistake of his career.

Masks. The gold standard of medical research is randomized trials, and there have now been two on COVID masks for adults. For children, there is no solid scientific evidence that masks work. A Danish study found no statistically significant difference between masking and not masking when it came to coronavirus infection. [Eds. A recent study showed that masks do reduce infections.] In a study in Bangladesh, the 95 percent confidence interval showed that masks reduced transmission between 0 percent and 18 percent. Hence, masks are either of zero or limited benefit. There are many more critical pandemic measures that Dr. Fauci could have emphasized, such as better ventilation in schools and hiring nursing home staff with natural immunity.

Contact tracing. For some infectious diseases, such as Ebola and syphilis, contact tracing is critically important. For a commonly circulating viral infection such as COVID, it was a hopeless waste of valuable public health resources that did not stop the disease.

Collateral public health damage. A fundamental public health principle is that health is multidimensional; the control of a single infectious disease is not synonymous with health. As an immunologist, Dr. Fauci failed to properly consider and weigh the disastrous effects lockdowns would have on cancer detection and treatment, cardiovascular disease outcomes, diabetes care, childhood vaccination rates, mental health and opioid overdoses, to name a few. Americans will live with—and die from—this collateral damage for many years to come.

In private conversations, most of our scientific colleagues agree with us on these points. While a few have spoken up, why are not more doing so? Well, some tried but failed. Others kept silent when they saw colleagues slandered and smeared in the media or censored by Big Tech. Some are government employees who are barred from contradicting official policy. Many are afraid of losing positions or research grants, aware that Dr. Fauci sits on top of the largest pile of infectious disease research money in the world. Most scientists are not experts on infectious disease outbreaks. Were we, say, oncologists, physicists or botanists, we would probably also have trusted Dr. Fauci.

The evidence is in. Governors, journalists, scientists, university presidents, hospital administrators and business leaders can continue to follow Dr. Anthony Fauci or open their eyes. After 700,000-plus COVID deaths and the devastating effects of lockdowns, it is time to return to basic principles of public health.

Martin Kulldorff, Ph.D., is an epidemiologist, biostatistician, and Professor of Medicine at Harvard Medical School. Jay Bhattacharya, MD, Ph.D., is a Professor of Health Policy at Stanford University School of Medicine. Both are Senior Scholars at the newly formed Brownstone Institute.

The views expressed in this article are the writers' own.

[Indy]

The views expressed in this article are the writers' own.

Even the crazy newsweek won't sign on to what these guys are saying...

[Flagrant Fowl]

That was some of the dumbest shit I've read on this topic.

[In2ition]

That was some of the dumbest shit I've read on this topic.

Sorry, it wasn't up to your standards. What can I say? Ph.D from Harvard and Mori's colleague Ph.D from Stanford aren't at your level, apparently.

[Mori Chu]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Bhattacharya has been a prominent opponent of lockdowns and mask mandates.[4][5] With Martin Kulldorff and Sunetra Gupta, he was a co-author in 2020 of the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocated letting the virus spread in lower-risk groups with the aim of herd immunity, with "focused protection" of those most at risk.[5]

How freaking stupid is this??

[Indy]

What do you mean? Don't we want as many variants and mutations as possible? smh

[In2ition]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay_Bhattacharya

During the COVID-19 pandemic, Bhattacharya has been a prominent opponent of lockdowns and mask mandates.[4][5] With Martin Kulldorff and Sunetra Gupta, he was a co-author in 2020 of the Great Barrington Declaration, which advocated letting the virus spread in lower-risk groups with the aim of herd immunity, with "focused protection" of those most at risk.[5]

How freaking stupid is this??

Hiring standards have slipped greatly at Stanford and Harvard?

[Mori Chu]

Just because somebody works at some university doesn't mean they aren't an idiot.