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The RNC

Post by 3rdside » Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:01 pm

This is fucking nuts


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Re: The RNC

Post by Flagrant Fowl » Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:18 pm

That bitch is crazy.

I wonder how much of her plastic surgery was performed in California.
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Re: The RNC

Post by Indy » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:38 am

Flagrant Fowl wrote:
Mon Aug 24, 2020 8:18 pm
That bitch is crazy.

I wonder how much of her plastic surgery was performed in California.
Well, she used to be married to Gavin Newsome, so probably most of it.

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Re: The RNC

Post by Indy » Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:39 am

I only watched a few clips (like I did with the DNC) and oh my god.

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Re: The RNC

Post by Mori Chu » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:40 am

I watched clips of the RNC's first night. The general theme I thought was, "be scared, be angry." Lot of apocalyptic statements saying that radical socialist commie Dems are going to destroy America. It's odd to paint Biden that way since he was arguably the most moderate centrist of the Dem primary candidates. But oh well.

There was also a notable lack of mention of COVID. I think the GOP would really like you to look at Trump's record up until about February 2020 and not further. They know COVID is a huge blow to the argument that Trump made America "great." I think they want the voters to write off COVID as an act of nature/God that Trump isn't responsible for, and judge him on certain metrics from his first 3 years in office instead.

It's funny how narrow their selection of speakers is. No high-profile senators, no former Presidents; folks from the cabinet (e.g. Pompeo) who are not supposed to be making partisan speeches; random citizens who achieved temporary internet fame for fighting in the culture war (Covenant Catholic kid Sandmann, couple who pointed guns at protestors); and of course a heavy dollop of Trump family members. And POTUS himself speaking every single night. It's basically the Trump show. The party is Trump. L'etat, c'est moi.

The GOP has become a party of white grievance. Their decision not to even have an official party platform this year, other than "we support President Trump," is really telling. Their entire platform is about being angry at the libs and bowing down to Dear Leader. What a mess.

These guys have got to go. Every single one of them must be voted out.

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Re: The RNC

Post by Cap » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:17 am

Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:40 am
I think they want the voters to write off COVID as an act of nature/God that Trump isn't responsible for, and judge him on certain metrics from his first 3 years in office instead.
Or China.

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Post by Indy » Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:25 am

Cap wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:17 am
Mori Chu wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:40 am
I think they want the voters to write off COVID as an act of nature/God that Trump isn't responsible for, and judge him on certain metrics from his first 3 years in office instead.
Or China.
This. Saying it is nature or an act of God so you can't plan for it won't work well, because it has been highly publicized that the last admin left a playbook on this specifically, and anyone can go find Biden's tweets from last October saying a global pandemic is something we need to be ready for. They have to frame it as "the 'others' did something bad to us" and we need to blame them, not me/us. Sounds a lot like Germany in the 30s.

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Re: The RNC

Post by Nodack » Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:12 am

I didn't watch one second of it.

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Re: The RNC

Post by 3rdside » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:52 pm

Sorry, Democrats. Trump’s convention is working.

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Re: The RNC

Post by 3rdside » Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:54 pm

It definitely picked up after Guilfoyle .. sure it was full of sh*t but it will still resonate.

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Post by Indy » Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:28 pm

I think it will be effective for people that already support him (or need an excuse to).

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Re: The RNC

Post by JJ Slim » Tue Aug 25, 2020 7:03 pm

So did any of you actually watch it or did you just listen to a few clips with someone else's "interpretation"? I will agree that Kimberly Guilfoyle's speech was extreme. I had to shut it off at that point. She might have been saying something worthwhile but her delivery obscured her message. But did any of you listen to Herschel Walker? Or Georgia Democratic state Rep. Vernon Jones? Or Nikki Haley? Or Senator Tim Scott? I bet you've never heard of Maximo Alvarez. If you watch nothing else, you should watch this:



My take is that they are trying to convey the message that half the country already knows and that the other half has never heard or that has had it filtered to them in the "correct" way. These include his accomplishments, his supposed racism, his response to Covid-19, and the "official" demographic of his base and also a celebration of us. I won't go into details about each of those because I don't have the time but I will tell you that half the country is uninformed, being lied to and manipulated and making decisions without all the information. That is not meant as an attack or disparagement and I apologize if anyone takes it that way. I'm not asking you to change your mind but simply to listen to and try to understand another point of view without attacking and disparaging.

I just listened to Nick Sandman's and TIffany Trump's speeches. I was actually dreading hearing from her but was pleasantly surprised. If you have a few minutes listen to both of them with an open mind.

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Re: The RNC

Post by Nodack » Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:34 pm

I will tell you that half the country is uninformed, being lied to and manipulated and making decisions without all the information.
I think the other half would say the exact same thing to you.

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Re: The RNC

Post by Superbone » Wed Aug 26, 2020 12:06 am

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Re: The RNC

Post by jonh » Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:35 am

Nodack wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:34 pm
I will tell you that half the country is uninformed, being lied to and manipulated and making decisions without all the information.
I think the other half would say the exact same thing to you.
I think thats why its important to be able to hear each other's viewpoint. What exactly do republicans feel independents and democrats are missing? What do democrats feel republicans are missing?

I honestly feel that if voters were able to talk across the aisle civilly, there would be a realization about how much common ground there is, and how media and the political machinery on both sides is quickly radicalizing perspectives.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... cans-left/
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Post by Indy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:23 am

jonh wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 7:35 am
Nodack wrote:
Tue Aug 25, 2020 9:34 pm
I will tell you that half the country is uninformed, being lied to and manipulated and making decisions without all the information.
I think the other half would say the exact same thing to you.
I think thats why its important to be able to hear each other's viewpoint. What exactly do republicans feel independents and democrats are missing? What do democrats feel republicans are missing?

I honestly feel that if voters were able to talk across the aisle civilly, there would be a realization about how much common ground there is, and how media and the political machinery on both sides is quickly radicalizing perspectives.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/wh ... cans-left/
I think the biggest problem is money in politics. That leads to polarization of news sources, too. And as a result, you are finding less and less of the news sources to be independent from huge corporate money that is supporting one party or another. And the same is true of the electorate. What percent of voters only get their news from extremely partisan news sources? I would bet it is at the highest point in the history of this country.

I can't even have a true conversation with my brother on this topic. He starts saying Joe Biden wants to defund the police. And signed up for the Green New Deal. and on and on and on. And even if I wanted those things, Joe Biden has specifically spoken about not defunding, and hasn't signed the Green New Deal. But my brother knows he did. Oh, he also knows that Biden supports abortion in any case up to the day of delivery. Ugh.

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Re: The RNC

Post by Nodack » Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:44 am

I read probably at least 20 news stories a day from dozens of sources. Trump tells me that no matter what news site I read from they are all lying. Trump even bashes FOX News half the time. If I am missing some crucial info I would like them to tell where I am missing it from. Where are all these right wingers getting their facts from if they cannot get it from any news source on planet earth?

As far as I can tell Lou Dobbs is President of the US. That’s where Trump gets 75% of his policies.

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Re: The RNC

Post by jonh » Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:06 am

Nodack wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:44 am
I read probably at least 20 news stories a day from dozens of sources. Trump tells me that no matter what news site I read from they are all lying. Trump even bashes FOX News half the time. If I am missing some crucial info I would like them to tell where I am missing it from. Where are all these right wingers getting their facts from if they cannot get it from any news source on planet earth?

As far as I can tell Lou Dobbs is President of the US. That’s where Trump gets 75% of his policies.
I actually asked several family members who are both Donald Trump supporters and anti-vaxxers this exact question. I was sent links to instragram accounts, rather than news sources. I am not saying that most conservatives do, or that there are not good, conservative-focused outlets--but these members have an incredible distrust for almost any news source.

For the record, I like going onto realclearpolitics, which I feel provides links to articles that are both obviously conservative and liberal-leaning.
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Re: The RNC

Post by Indy » Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:13 am

jonh wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 10:06 am
Nodack wrote:
Wed Aug 26, 2020 9:44 am
I read probably at least 20 news stories a day from dozens of sources. Trump tells me that no matter what news site I read from they are all lying. Trump even bashes FOX News half the time. If I am missing some crucial info I would like them to tell where I am missing it from. Where are all these right wingers getting their facts from if they cannot get it from any news source on planet earth?

As far as I can tell Lou Dobbs is President of the US. That’s where Trump gets 75% of his policies.
I actually asked several family members who are both Donald Trump supporters and anti-vaxxers this exact question. I was sent links to instragram accounts, rather than news sources. I am not saying that most conservatives do, or that there are not good, conservative-focused outlets--but these members have an incredible distrust for almost any news source.

For the record, I like going onto realclearpolitics, which I feel provides links to articles that are both obviously conservative and liberal-leaning.
that is a good place to go. I try and read sources from all kinds of things (I stay away from clearly racist sources like Breitbart), and really try and focus on reporting, not opinion pieces.

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Re: The RNC

Post by Mori Chu » Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:09 am

The best I can tell today is that the GOP is settling on defending the 17-year-old murderer who blew protestors away in Kenosha the other day. They're saying it was self-defense and that somebody had to maintain law and order when the city/police wouldn't. Oof.

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