Sports and Politics/Social Change

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I think we can all agree that most people probably fail a purity test when it comes to stupid things we say or have done. But Sarver rises to the level of being being gross and offensive to others that doesn’t really seem debatable and its affected people’s employment, quality of their lives, and tarnishes the Suns franchise. Playing a victim in his own defense isn’t going to help anything. I just hope he vanishes from public view.

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Indy wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:45 pm
Superbone wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:50 pm
I can understand asking them what's the hold up and pressuring to complete the investigation but how can you just ask that Sarver be removed as owner without due process. Last I checked, we don't do that here in America.
They can do that if they want. The NBA board of governors can pretty much do whatever they want. They have the authority, and the power because of the deals they have made to operate as a monopoly. There is no requirement for criminal proceedings or even guilty verdicts.

I guess that all depends on how specific the language is in the contract Bob has.
Being an owner of a sports franchise comes with managing the weight of public perception, media attention, and criticism of your performance of not just your team’s success but how you conduct business. It’s strange how people debate this into the ground. Or they attach their negative views of accountability in light of personal misconduct. Many jobs understandably can be lost over misconduct. I do believe in restorative justice and bringing people into the fold but it just doesn’t need to apply to positions of power or the privilege of being a sports owner.

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Indy wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:45 pm
Superbone wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:50 pm
I can understand asking them what's the hold up and pressuring to complete the investigation but how can you just ask that Sarver be removed as owner without due process. Last I checked, we don't do that here in America.
They can do that if they want. The NBA board of governors can pretty much do whatever they want. They have the authority, and the power because of the deals they have made to operate as a monopoly. There is no requirement for criminal proceedings or even guilty verdicts.

I guess that all depends on how specific the language is in the contract Bob has.
They could but they're not. They've had a full scale investigation on going. They're supposed to stop and just kick him out due to outside pressure?
"It should burn. It'll probably burn forever. But last season is done." - James Jones

"I don't think I've ever been that angry shooting a basketball." - Cam Johnson

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Superbone wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:50 pm
Indy wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:45 pm
Superbone wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:50 pm
I can understand asking them what's the hold up and pressuring to complete the investigation but how can you just ask that Sarver be removed as owner without due process. Last I checked, we don't do that here in America.
They can do that if they want. The NBA board of governors can pretty much do whatever they want. They have the authority, and the power because of the deals they have made to operate as a monopoly. There is no requirement for criminal proceedings or even guilty verdicts.

I guess that all depends on how specific the language is in the contract Bob has.
They could but they're not. They've had a full scale investigation on going. They're supposed to stop and just kick him out due to outside pressure?
I wasn't arguing they should. I was just responding to you saying they couldn't without due process.

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Indy wrote:
Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:28 am
Superbone wrote:
Sun Mar 20, 2022 12:50 pm
Indy wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 4:45 pm
Superbone wrote:
Sat Mar 19, 2022 1:50 pm
I can understand asking them what's the hold up and pressuring to complete the investigation but how can you just ask that Sarver be removed as owner without due process. Last I checked, we don't do that here in America.
They can do that if they want. The NBA board of governors can pretty much do whatever they want. They have the authority, and the power because of the deals they have made to operate as a monopoly. There is no requirement for criminal proceedings or even guilty verdicts.

I guess that all depends on how specific the language is in the contract Bob has.
They could but they're not. They've had a full scale investigation on going. They're supposed to stop and just kick him out due to outside pressure?
I wasn't arguing they should. I was just responding to you saying they couldn't without due process.
I never argued that they couldn't. Just that they shouldn't.
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"I don't think I've ever been that angry shooting a basketball." - Cam Johnson

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They haven’t.

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I’d hoped they wouldn’t.
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Column: Amid increasing abuse, officials flee youth sports
https://apnews.com/article/covid-sports ... f5981dc576
ATLANTA (AP) — When one looks at the ugly bruise encircling Kristi Moore’s left eye, it’s not surprising so many refs and umps are hanging up their stripes.

Why put up with incessant taunts and threats from out-of-control parents?

Why fret over potential violence — even the chance of losing your life — because someone thinks you blew a call at a 12-year-olds’ softball game?

America is facing a crisis in prep and youth sports, where fewer and fewer people are willing to take on the thankless job of officiating games.

“The veterans are quitting by the droves. They’re sick of it,” said Moore, who oversees fast-pitch softball umpires for the state of Mississippi as well as the city of Laurel. “When we work to recruit new people, get ’em trained, get ’em out there on the field, they’re three or four games in when someone gives them a good cussing out or an invitation to get their tail beat. They’re like: ‘You know what? I’ll go cut grass on the weekend.’”

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I am not sure I can think of a job that gets more hate from irrational 'tough' guys than youth sports ref. Such a thankless job.

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No religion thread so…

Atheists remain most disliked religious minority in the U.S.
https://twin-cities.umn.edu/news-events ... inority-us
The findings of this most recent survey support the argument that atheists are persistent cultural outsiders in the United States because they are perceived to have rejected cultural values and practices understood as essential to private morality, civic virtue, and national identity. Moreover, any refusal to embrace a religious identity of any type is troubling for a large portion of Americans.

Forty percent of Americans view the non-religious--atheist, agnostic, no-religion, and spiritual-but-not-religious--as problematic, even though 33 percent of the survey respondents identify with those categories.

By the numbers, researchers found that:

40% of Americans disapprove of non-religion
33% of respondents fall into a broad “religious nones” category: 3.8% as atheist, 3.5% as agnostic, 7.1 % as “spiritual but not religious,” and 18.5% as “nothing in particular.”
27% of Americans say that atheists “don't share my morals or values.”
Comparing the “religious nones,” respondents had less negative views of people who say they have no religion, and feel more positively about those who are “spiritual but not religious.”

These attitudes are strongly driven by a belief that religiosity is central for civic virtue, that societal standards of right and wrong should be rooted in historic religious traditions, and that Christianity underpins American identity.

Some measures of the respondents’ attitudes show that Muslim-Americans are as distrusted, and in some cases more distrusted, than the non-religious.


Lol is all I have to say.

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