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I don't know what to tell you, other that this isn't over and you haven't heard the last of this in legal terms or other things coming down the pipe. It's naïve to think so, imo, but at the same time, I'm not a time traveler with news from the future either.
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In2ition wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 11:39 am
I don't know what to tell you, other that this isn't over and you haven't heard the last of this in legal terms or other things coming down the pipe. It's naïve to think so, imo, but at the same time, I'm not a time traveler with news from the future either.
You have been saying this for 18 months.

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Indy wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 11:54 am
In2ition wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 11:39 am
I don't know what to tell you, other that this isn't over and you haven't heard the last of this in legal terms or other things coming down the pipe. It's naïve to think so, imo, but at the same time, I'm not a time traveler with news from the future either.
You have been saying this for 18 months.
You're right, and stuff continues to come out. So I'm not wrong, and I know that other things are still in the pipeline and even on the court docket soon.
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Made up bs continues to come out and still not a shred of evidence. You caught people with cell phones red handed driving by drop boxes. You have a few videos of a few people dropping off ballots at ballot drop boxes. A huge nothing burger. I’ll be patiently waiting for the convictions of all those 400,000 criminals you caught red handed.

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People believe what they want to believe. It's human nature. People look for evidence that supports their beliefs.
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Nodack wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 2:44 pm
Made up bs continues to come out and still not a shred of evidence. You caught people with cell phones red handed driving by drop boxes. You have a few videos of a few people dropping off ballots at ballot drop boxes. A huge nothing burger. I’ll be patiently waiting for the convictions of all those 400,000 criminals you caught red handed.
It wasn't "driving by drop-boxes". They took those out. You don't know what you are talking about, yet you keep talking like you think you know something. It's weird.

Here's a little more accurate information for you, since you are clearly making shit up for some reason, as you seem to owe some weird allegiance to these criminals.
May 11, 2022
Fact-Checker Fail: 2000 Mules vs. the media
By Jonathon Moseley
https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/20 ... L4.twitter

In a familiar pattern, left-wing fact-checkers furiously try to hide the damning proof of election fraud in the 2020 election presented in Dinesh D'Souza's documentary 2000 Mules. But those "fake checkers" clearly did not actually watch the film. See, e.g., Ali Swenson, Associated Press, reprinted at U.S. News and World Report or at the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Initially, one should note that 2000 Mules is not a western. It refers to the term developed decades ago of "drug mules," who carry illegal drugs for criminal cartels such as smuggling drugs across the border.

With 2000 Mules, the leftists desperate to hide voter fraud clearly only watched the free trailer for the movie and did not spring for the $20 to $29 to actually see the entire film. The film can be purchased from the Salem radio network from Dinesh D'Souza on "Locals" at or at the main website.

After mainstream journalists became discredited as biased, left-wing propagandists, very suddenly, a new fad sprang up: fact-checkers. Now the same journalists whom we stopped believing in the normal news are suddenly believable because they call themselves "fact-checkers."

But if there is anything that presumably a fact-checker would do, you'd think it would be to actually carefully read and analyze a claim point by point to determine its truth. (Typically, fact-checkers specialize in being distracted by a minor detail. For example, a news story might report that Sen. Nogood smashed into a green-colored van full of nuns while driving drunk. The fact-checker would then spend pages discussing how there is "no evidence" that the van was colored green. The van might have been blue. So rating: False.)


True The Vote did what the government failed to do. The organization purchased through commercial brokers the cell phone "geotracking" or "geolocator" data from specific cities in particular states where the election was decided. They then analyzed the GPS data to show the paid "mules" who visited left-wing nonprofit organizations and then drove to many different ballot drop boxes on the same day — then did it all over again the following day, day after day, for weeks.

While ballot "harvesting" is illegal in the states sampled, one is allowed to deliver ballots from family members or a voter for whom one is the officially designated caregiver. Otherwise, it is a crime to drop off someone else's ballots in an election dropbox.

But under no circumstances would one legally or legitimately do that again and again, day after day, for weeks or months. The fake checkers discuss the data as if these mules made only one trip, on one day, to only one drop box location. They didn't watch the film.

The film explains that the analysis filtered out people who were driving past drop boxes, or whose routines did not fit a voter fraud hypothesis. Only those driving straight up to a dropbox carrying their cell phones were included.

The analysis considered the "pattern of life" routines of cell phone users. Those going to work or shop near a drop box would be excluded, as opposed to those who spent only a few minutes at the drop box and then immediately turned around and drove on to the next drop box location. A person parked for a long time for an appointment or shopping would be excluded.

(The fact-checkers also skip over the fact that — by my rough estimate — perhaps around 10% of those mules active during the election season were also located in the middle of violent ANTIFA riots throughout the year 2000.)

The documentary carefully explains how they filtered out the possibility of anyone dropping off ballots for his family. Only mules who visited ten or more ballot drop boxes were included in the analysis. For example, one "mule" visited drop boxes in six different counties.

Ballots are different for different counties, congressional districts, and state legislative districts. So no one dropping off legitimate ballots would go to drop boxes in six different counties. Someone dropping off Grandma's ballot would not visit ten to one hundred different drop boxes — and do this over again the next day and the next and the next.

The fact-checkers tell us that geotracking is not that accurate. Oddly, the FBI is prosecuting peaceful, nonviolent protesters from January 6, 2021, based on that same "imprecise" geotracking data allegedly showing people inside the U.S. Capitol. Oops. Never mind. So geotracking cell phone locations is precise, except when it isn't. Depends on the needs of the moment.

But it doesn't actually matter, because True the Vote set such a high bar that the data cannot be dismissed. Only those mules who visited left-wing, election-related nonprofit offices and then went from there straight to election drop boxes were included.

The film repeatedly explains how they obtained over four million minutes of official government surveillance video viewing the ballot drop boxes (promiscuously deployed due to COVID-19). The trailer shows only a few snippets out of four million minutes. Even the documentary barely scratches the surface of that ocean of data.

Yet the fact-checkers "analyze" the surveillance videos as if the few examples shown are the only surveillance videos. That is, they dismiss the examples shown only in the movie trailer. Had they actually watched the documentary, they would have known that the same mules are showing up again and again in various surveillance videos at different drop boxes all over the city. Not just once, as in the movie trailer.

The four million minutes of video show mules stuffing dozens of ballots into drop boxes, not two or three. Often, we see ballots falling all over the sidewalk. The governmental surveillance video shows sometimes twenty or thirty ballots at a time getting stuffed into boxes already full.

The surveillance videos repeatedly show mules taking photographs of themselves putting the ballots into the drop boxes or just photos of the drop box itself. The only reason to take photographs of the drop boxes is that the mules are being paid and are presenting proof that they delivered the illicit ballots.

Oh, and not to mention that this is often happening between 1 A.M. and 4 A.M.

The surveillance videos show mules wearing surgical gloves as they stuff illicit ballots into the drop boxes. Then they remove the surgical gloves and toss them into nearby trash cans — all caught on government surveillance videos. The film explains that this started the day after ballot-harvesters were arrested in one state based on fingerprints on the ballots. In one case, a woman never looks at the trash can until after taking off her gloves, indicating that she had done it before at that same location.

Finally, True the Vote concentrated only on specific cities or areas within the battleground states that decided the 2020 presidential election. The fact-checkers are again off base. D'Souza's excellent documentary is a call for honest law enforcement (if there are any left) to conduct a full analysis of the entire country. There is one indisputable conclusion: this must be investigated in full.
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Superbone wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 2:50 pm
People believe what they want to believe. It's human nature. People look for evidence that supports their beliefs.
Or they just make shit up to try to obscure the evidence, to support their beliefs.
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Virginia county board member indicted for election fraud
By Tyler Arnold | The Center Square May 5, 2022

https://www.thecentersquare.com/virgini ... 4fd96.html

(The Center Square) – A Buchanan County, Virginia Board of Supervisors member has been charged with 82 felonies related to accusations of election fraud and other forms of misconduct, which he ardently denies.

Board Member Trey Adkins was indicted by a special grand jury, along with Sherry Lynn Bailey, who is alleged to have assisted him.

Adkins was indicted on 34 counts of false statements related to election fraud, 15 counts of uttering public record, 11 counts of absentee voting, 11 counts of forgery of public record, eight counts of public embezzlement and three counts of conspiracy to make a false statement related to election fraud. Bailey was charged with four counts of making false statements related to election fraud, four counts of conspiracy to make false statements and four counts of forgery of public record.

The Virginia State Police have been investigating the allegations for more than two years. Russell County Commonwealth’s Attorney Zach Stoots was appointed special counsel for the investigation.

“The Rules of Professional Conduct prevents any lawyer participating in the prosecution of a criminal matter that may be tried to a jury from making an extrajudicial statement that the lawyer knows or should know will have a likelihood of interfering with the fairness of a trial by jury,” Stoots said in a statement. “Based on the Rules of Professional Conduct, my office will not be making any further statements on the pending matters.”
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In2ition wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 4:33 pm
Nodack wrote:
Fri May 13, 2022 2:44 pm
Made up bs continues to come out and still not a shred of evidence. You caught people with cell phones red handed driving by drop boxes. You have a few videos of a few people dropping off ballots at ballot drop boxes. A huge nothing burger. I’ll be patiently waiting for the convictions of all those 400,000 criminals you caught red handed.
It wasn't "driving by drop-boxes". They took those out. You don't know what you are talking about, yet you keep talking like you think you know something. It's weird.

Here's a little more accurate information for you, since you are clearly making shit up for some reason, as you seem to owe some weird allegiance to these criminals.
May 11, 2022
Fact-Checker Fail: 2000 Mules vs. the media
By Jonathon Moseley

https://www.americanthinker.com ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Thinker
In the aftermath of Donald Trump's loss in the 2020 U.S. Presidential election, the American Thinker promoted a variety of false conspiracy theories and claims of election fraud as part of the Republican Party's attempt to overturn the election result.[7] Faced with a lawsuit from Dominion Voting Systems, Lifson acknowledged that the site had relied upon "discredited sources who have peddled debunked theories".[8] The American Thinker likewise admitted that its election claims were "completely false and have no basis in fact" and that "it was wrong for us to publish these false statements."[9]

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The American Thinker likewise admitted that its election claims were "completely false and have no basis in fact" and that "it was wrong for us to publish these false statements."[9]
So does that mean this is a really good news source that we should link to in the future?

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More evidence that Trump's people were actively working with the insurrectionists.


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Mori Chu wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 8:06 am
The American Thinker likewise admitted that its election claims were "completely false and have no basis in fact" and that "it was wrong for us to publish these false statements."[9]
So does that mean this is a really good news source that we should link to in the future?
The NYT, CNN, the WaPo, and just about every newspaper has also admitted to making false claims and statements. Should they be used as a really good news source that we should link to in the future?

If you are looking for a publication that has never posted anything false and never had anything retracted or lost a suit on defamation, who is left that is worthy to be linked to in the future?
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Mori Chu wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 12:20 pm
More evidence that Trump's people were actively working with the insurrectionists.

You really believe that something is going to come out of this "evidence"?
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In2ition wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 1:37 pm
Mori Chu wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 8:06 am
The American Thinker likewise admitted that its election claims were "completely false and have no basis in fact" and that "it was wrong for us to publish these false statements."[9]
So does that mean this is a really good news source that we should link to in the future?
The NYT, CNN, the WaPo, and just about every newspaper has also admitted to making false claims and statements. Should they be used as a really good news source that we should link to in the future?

If you are looking for a publication that has never posted anything false and never had anything retracted or lost a suit on defamation, who is left that is worthy to be linked to in the future?
I will take all those sources over any right wing source any day of the week.

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Nodack wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 2:27 pm
In2ition wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 1:37 pm
Mori Chu wrote:
Sat May 14, 2022 8:06 am
The American Thinker likewise admitted that its election claims were "completely false and have no basis in fact" and that "it was wrong for us to publish these false statements."[9]
So does that mean this is a really good news source that we should link to in the future?
The NYT, CNN, the WaPo, and just about every newspaper has also admitted to making false claims and statements. Should they be used as a really good news source that we should link to in the future?

If you are looking for a publication that has never posted anything false and never had anything retracted or lost a suit on defamation, who is left that is worthy to be linked to in the future?
I will take all those sources over any right wing source any day of the week.
So that's what it's about, it's partisan. At least you are honest about it.
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Every media source is imperfect. Therefore you must accept my completely non credible sources!

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In2ition wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 5:08 pm
"Every source I don't agree with is a non credible source!" - Marty
How about ones that are identified as repeatedly promoting lies? Let's just start there. Because the Times or WaPo or AZCentral has to publish a retraction doesn't mean they are promoting lies. But when they are legally required to state they were promoting lies (or do so to avoid judgements against them), that is probably a good time to stop citing them.

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Indy wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 5:59 pm
In2ition wrote:
Tue May 17, 2022 5:08 pm
"Every source I don't agree with is a non credible source!" - Marty
How about ones that are identified as repeatedly promoting lies? Let's just start there. Because the Times or WaPo or AZCentral has to publish a retraction doesn't mean they are promoting lies. But when they are legally required to state they were promoting lies (or do so to avoid judgements against them), that is probably a good time to stop citing them.
Good one. Kudos, you made me laugh at this one. Cheers.
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it is typical of you to laugh when confronted for using shitting sources over and over, then you resort to name calling. It is a pattern.

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