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Wonder why no charges were brought…


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Wow. An NYPD veteran attacking a police officer. So sad. What happened to the thin blue line?
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He must be antifa.

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Indy wrote:
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He must be antifa.
Oh, good point. I'm sure all the bad actors were.
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Debunking that "2000 Mules" video.


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Duh.
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Superbone wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 5:38 pm
Duh.
You read the article?
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In2ition wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 5:46 pm
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Tue May 03, 2022 5:38 pm
Duh.
You read the article?
No. I don't waste my time on conspiracy theories.
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Superbone wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 5:49 pm
In2ition wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 5:46 pm
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Tue May 03, 2022 5:38 pm
Duh.
You read the article?
No. I don't waste my time on conspiracy theories.
LOL, then how would you know? That's so silly. The article itself could be debunked. It had some points, but then it reached hard for other points.
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Hey, remember Ray Epps? And how he was the evil secret cause of January 6? Turns out, nah, bullshit.


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Mori Chu wrote:
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Hey, remember Ray Epps? And how he was the evil secret cause of January 6? Turns out, nah, bullshit.

LOL, I mean, they do have him on video provoking things. I don't know if you've seen the videos, but multiple videos on multiple days, he's advocating to go to the Capitol and then past the barriers. It's pretty damning, but sure it's all just bullshit.
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A good read debunking that ridiculous "2000 Mules" movie made by Dinesh DeDoofus:



From a Georgia political reporter, Stephen Fowler:
CLAIM: At least 2,000 “mules” were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

THE FACTS: . . . The finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and the reasons that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts. . . .

CLAIM: In Philadelphia alone, True the Vote identified 1,155 “mules” who illegally collected and dropped off ballots for money.

THE FACTS: No, it didn’t.

-they claim there were more drop boxes in metro Atlanta (309) than actually existed in the *entire* state (just under 300) -the cell phone pings of “antifa rioters” don’t really correspond to real places (like a bunch in a cemetery?)

-the “mule” route doesn’t line up w/dropboxes?

-How come they don’t ever show you videos of the alleged “mules” showing up at multiple locations like they claim to have?

-how come they don’t tell you that even if a ballot is “harvested” the return method is illegal but the ballot (assuming info checks out) is?

-how come they made you pay $30 to consume something that should be so earth-shattering that it should be shared widely for free and it’s a for-profit movie and you can’t see all the evidence they have? -and how come there’s no resolution other than “trust us, it’s bad?”

If anything they claimed was true, many more trusted people and orgs would be sharing it.

It’s not a cover up, it’s a grift, by people who want to scare you into thinking the election was stolen by widespread absentee fraud instead of more people voting for the other candidate!

I’m going back to vacation, but the bottom line is you should trust your vote in Georgia, regardless of party affiliation. It’s the most scrutinized, most accessible most trustworthy system the state has seen. And I hope you still vote!

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shocking

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I happened to see the movie. One of the things that I have been critical of the movie, or should I say I would have liked to see more of, is that I wish they would have shown the "mules" at multiple drop-boxes with multiple ballots for each one. That being said, the silly "debunking" that Stephen Fowler just did that you took as facts, is wild that this is the best they have and you believe it. You could argue that with the pushback and the dismissive attitude to look into exactly what went on, shows that you could do it in the future and get away with it, because whoever wins is going to just dismiss any calls to look into it.

Here is the detail that I can remember.

They have over a Petabyte of ping data that they went over.
Based on the GPS pings that happened, they were able to create tracked paths for the people from Oct-Dec.(IIRC)
They set up a GPS fence for what they were going to focus on, which had the locations of all the drop-boxes for that area in each of the swings states, and also political 501C not for profits.

To prove their own theory on how it would work, they turned their data on a cold case of a shooting in the area, in which a young girl was killed. With their work, they were able to hand over their findings to the police in the area, and it resulted in 2 men being arrested for the murder.
  • Since they had so much data, they chose to focus on focus on those that visited at least 10 different drop-boxes & also visited 5 political not for profits during those same trips. This filtered it down to 2000 mules in AZ, GA, PA, WI, and MI, with them averaging about 26 drop-boxes per mule.
  • In PA alone, they tracked 1100 mules, and found that many of them traveled to political Not for Profits in NJ and then to the drop-boxes.
  • The 4 million minutes of surveillance video they got were from the state governments official surveillance cameras set up to monitor each drop-box.
  • There were several cameras where they tracked a lot of mules to in AZ, which happened to have the cameras turned off.
  • They also matched up the number of ballots picked up from the official counts and chain of custody of the drop-boxes with the visits to the drop-boxes. In one example, they had over 1,900 ballots picked up(can't remember the exact number) from the drop-box to only 242 visits tracked.
  • After a news report that the FBI tracked a harvester from finger prints came out, they noticed that the tactics of the mules changed and they started wearing rubber gloves. Even showed a lady from SC that was doing this for both the election and the run offs in GA, how she went directly to the drop-box and didn't look at the trash can. After she dropped the ballots off in the drop-box, she immediately discarded the gloves into the trash can, because she knew exactly where it was. In GA, you can have your family member or caregiver take your ballot, but not to anyone else. You can't even give it to your neighbor.
  • So many more things that show it wasn't just a family member taking the families ballots to the drop-boxes.
  • When they lowered the criteria to 5 drop-boxes visited & 3 not for profits per mule, the number of mules increased to over 83,000 in those 5 states. They didn't even look at the entire states, just focusing on those counties and areas where they flipped and were contested.
  • They even had a whistleblower from Yuma county(but they didn't actually do the data tracking and video out of Yuma county) in the movie. They didn't show the alleged whistleblower from GA that supposedly made $45K in the time from
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https://www.denverpost.com/2022/05/08/2 ... act-check/


CLAIM: At least 2,000 “mules” were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

THE FACTS: True the Vote didn’t prove this. The finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and the reasons that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts.
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CLAIM: In Philadelphia alone, True the Vote identified 1,155 “mules” who illegally collected and dropped off ballots for money.


THE FACTS: No, it didn’t. The group hasn’t offered any evidence of any sort of paid ballot harvesting scheme in Philadelphia. And True the Vote did not get surveillance footage of drop boxes in Philadelphia, so the group based this claim solely on cellphone location data, its researcher Gregg Phillips said in March in testimony to Pennsylvania state senators.
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CLAIM: Some of the “mules” True the Vote identified in Georgia were also geolocated at violent antifa riots in Atlanta in the summer of 2020, showing they were violent far left actors.

THE FACTS: Setting aside the fact that the film doesn’t prove these individuals were collecting ballots at all, it also can’t prove their political affiliations.
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CLAIM: Alleged ballot harvesters were captured on surveillance video wearing gloves because they didn’t want to leave their fingerprints on the ballots.

THE FACTS: This is pure speculation. It ignores far more likely reasons for glove-wearing in the fall and winter of 2020 — cold weather or COVID-19.
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CLAIM: If it weren’t for this ballot collection scheme, former President Donald Trump would have had enough votes to win the 2020 election.

THE FACTS: This alleged scheme has not been proven, nor do these researchers have any way of knowing whether any ballots that were collected contained votes for Trump or for Biden.
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You're too much believing this crap, In2.
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Indy wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:12 am
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/05/08/2 ... act-check/


CLAIM: At least 2,000 “mules” were paid to illegally collect ballots and deliver them to drop boxes in key swing states ahead of the 2020 presidential election.

THE FACTS: True the Vote didn’t prove this. The finding is based on false assumptions about the precision of cellphone tracking data and the reasons that someone might drop off multiple ballots, according to experts.
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To help understand this, TTV used the criteria of at least 10 drop-box visited & 5 nonprofit's visited. Like this shows, they filtered out people whose "pattern of life" before the election season included frequenting nonprofit and drop box locations. The pings aren't like what they are trying to describe. Are they accurate within inches of drop-boxes? No But they are within 5 ft of the drop-box accurate, and when you can match it up with video evidence, you are EXACTLY accurate. Problem is that it's not shown in the movie that they do this for every visit. They claim they have this, but didn't show it, and this is the biggest hole in the evidence, imo.

If a voter is dropping off multiple ballots from their family members, it wouldn't lump them in with the ones they tracked, as they wouldn't be visiting 10 drop-boxes & 5 nonprofit visits. So that becomes an argument that they didn't make, meaning they didn't claim this particular voter was a mule. If TTV is giving video evidence of particular "mules", they also have to produce evidence that they did the same at other drop-boxes, not just pings, unless they can prove that this person also wasn't in "pattern of life" and/or went "out of their way" to visit these drop-boxes.
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Indy wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:12 am
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/05/08/2 ... act-check/

CLAIM: In Philadelphia alone, True the Vote identified 1,155 “mules” who illegally collected and dropped off ballots for money.


THE FACTS: No, it didn’t. The group hasn’t offered any evidence of any sort of paid ballot harvesting scheme in Philadelphia. And True the Vote did not get surveillance footage of drop boxes in Philadelphia, so the group based this claim solely on cellphone location data, its researcher Gregg Phillips said in March in testimony to Pennsylvania state senators.
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So these 6 devices would be eliminated from the counts. That means that there are still 1,149 "mules", and that's even if that person and their devices were inaccurately counted with the others. Also, you would have to back up and solidify the pings with the video evidence of dropping the ballots off in the drop-boxes. Therefore, you would obviously leave them out of the counts, as they didn't drop ballots off. On top of that, you would have to have more evidence of being paid to do this. They didn't have video evidence on the nonprofits to show the exchange of money or the handing off of the ballots. That's harder to prove without whistleblowers or those that would turn state evidence.
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Indy wrote:
Wed May 11, 2022 9:12 am
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/05/08/2 ... act-check/

CLAIM: Alleged ballot harvesters were captured on surveillance video wearing gloves because they didn’t want to leave their fingerprints on the ballots.

THE FACTS: This is pure speculation. It ignores far more likely reasons for glove-wearing in the fall and winter of 2020 — cold weather or COVID-19.
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This claim that it was cold, so they were wearing gloves, doesn't account for them being surgical gloves, which offer little to no warmth. That would be a silly argument to make. Also, the claim was that when they watched the video, from before the time, they noticed a huge uptick in these rubber gloves being worn. Also, you wouldn't discard the rubber gloves immediately after putting the ballots into the drop-box.

If your argument is that it's because of covid, then you would have also seen large amounts of people using them the entire time, not just after a particular date. That is unless the gloves weren't available for whatever reason prior.

Also, that last part, where they took pictures of their ballot envelopes before submitting them for their social media posts. Sure, their are lots of people that do that, but they aren't doing that for multiple ballot drop offs in multiple drop-boxes. You wouldn't want to advertise that you dropped 100s of them off, which would be illegal, unless you were authorized to do so for a nursing home or such.

One or two examples doesn't debunk all of them, just like one or two examples doesn't prove massive fraud either.
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