Biden Administration misc. activities

[Indy]

Right. Those all say, the Sec of Energy can "pre-approve" businesses for new work. So there are probably plenty of companies that were pre-approved, that might warrant a second look. Especially after the largest hack in the history of our country.

You don't need to suspend the order for 90 days to take a second look. Why would you need to suspend this to do that? This allows unapproved and possibly national security risk companies, equipment or entities to be allowed in on our Bulk energy grid and infrastructure for the next 90 days.

No it does not. That is like saying for the last hundred years we allowed those into our country without any oversight until Trump issued the executive order. That is silly. There are checks and balances in place. Were they enough the last 100 years? Most certainly not.

Trumps Exec Order just:

Pillar 1) Says we won't bring in equipment if we don't trust the country it came from... who defines that? Trump trusted Russia more than England or German or Canada. This is just words and doesn't have a process in place to define, evaluate, and judge the company.


Pillar 2) Gives Sec of Energy the sole power to define what is good/prudent and 'pre-qualify' vendors. So no congressional oversight here... hmmm. very swampy.

Pillar 3) This says good things. But again doesn't define anything beyond "Sec Energy said so" as a way to determine which foreign vendors/nationals are good vs bad.

Pillar 4) Again, says good things. But no teeth and doesn't say how any of it will work.

On its face the EO looks to address a real threat to our country. It just was half-assed and doesn't define how it will do it. That is why it wasn't rescinded, and just put on pause until they figure out what is the best approach. It would make zero sense to just follow what Rick Perry's replacement thought was good or bad without vetting it first.

For example, why are only foreign vendors in scope? Are there not any US based companies that place a higher priority on their profits than the security of the US?

You make some good points, Indy, but none of them answers my question on why you can't address every one of them without suspending it for 90 days?

Because if the former Sec of Energy defined what is good and what is bad, you have to follow that if this EO stays in place, even if it is wrong. You can't decide that the decisions should be made by non-partisan OMB without rescinding this EO (or putting it on hold).

[In2ition]

"The way in which people get vaccine is chaotic," Klain continued. "It's very limited. We've seen this factor all over the country where millions of doses have been distributed. About half of that has been given out. So the process of getting that vaccine into arms, that's the hard process. That's where we're behind as a country and that's where we're focused in the Biden administration on getting that ramped up...We're going to set up these federal vaccination centers to make sure that in states that don't have enough vaccination sites, we fill those gaps."

"I would say one of the biggest problems right now is I can't tell you how much vaccine we have, and if I can't tell it to you then I can't tell it to the governors and I can't tell it to the state health officials," Walensky said. "If they don't know how much vaccine they're getting, not just this week but next week and the week after, they can't plan. The fact that we don't know today, five days into this administration and weeks into planning, how much vaccine we have just gives you a sense with the challenges we've been left with," she continued.

Trump's admin all along left everything up to everyone else to figure out to shirk responsibility and shift blame when necessary. And you can bet if he were still in office and states like NY and NJ were saying they were running low and needed more vaccines, he'd be blaming them for their inefficiency rather than trying to work thru the problem.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- ... trump-plan

Could it be that they felt it was a state's right issue? Just like they didn't require states to do mask mandates or lockdowns? It does seem like something that they can't mandate other than for Federal employees, just like the mask mandate that's only for Federal property and Federal land.

[In2ition]

Right. Those all say, the Sec of Energy can "pre-approve" businesses for new work. So there are probably plenty of companies that were pre-approved, that might warrant a second look. Especially after the largest hack in the history of our country.

You don't need to suspend the order for 90 days to take a second look. Why would you need to suspend this to do that? This allows unapproved and possibly national security risk companies, equipment or entities to be allowed in on our Bulk energy grid and infrastructure for the next 90 days.

No it does not. That is like saying for the last hundred years we allowed those into our country without any oversight until Trump issued the executive order. That is silly. There are checks and balances in place. Were they enough the last 100 years? Most certainly not.

Trumps Exec Order just:

Pillar 1) Says we won't bring in equipment if we don't trust the country it came from... who defines that? Trump trusted Russia more than England or German or Canada. This is just words and doesn't have a process in place to define, evaluate, and judge the company.


Pillar 2) Gives Sec of Energy the sole power to define what is good/prudent and 'pre-qualify' vendors. So no congressional oversight here... hmmm. very swampy.

Pillar 3) This says good things. But again doesn't define anything beyond "Sec Energy said so" as a way to determine which foreign vendors/nationals are good vs bad.

Pillar 4) Again, says good things. But no teeth and doesn't say how any of it will work.

On its face the EO looks to address a real threat to our country. It just was half-assed and doesn't define how it will do it. That is why it wasn't rescinded, and just put on pause until they figure out what is the best approach. It would make zero sense to just follow what Rick Perry's replacement thought was good or bad without vetting it first.

For example, why are only foreign vendors in scope? Are there not any US based companies that place a higher priority on their profits than the security of the US?

You make some good points, Indy, but none of them answers my question on why you can't address every one of them without suspending it for 90 days?

Because if the former Sec of Energy defined what is good and what is bad, you have to follow that if this EO stays in place, even if it is wrong. You can't decide that the decisions should be made by non-partisan OMB without rescinding this EO (or putting it on hold).

You can still do research and make decisions before taking actions(rescinding or putting it on hold).

[In2ition]

What a mess T**** left for Coronavirus handling. It was way worse than they ever imagined. Talk about an incredible failing as the leader of our country in dire circumstances. Adds to his worst president ever label for the history books.

Well since Nov 3rd all he was throw a temper tantrum about the election and obsess about turning over the results and while rallies. Nothing about a national rollout or vaccine distribution plan because he doesn't care about Americans, plain and simple. Most of his admin just slithered away after they blocked the transition for those 2 months. Biden's admin is essentially walking into this blind now.

Funny, even Fauci says that's complete bunk. There has been a plan, it's being implemented and they have already been administering over 1 million + experimental vaccines per day. Biden's plan was essentially the same as it was from the prior administration. He'll get credit though, as expect a huge decline in number of positive cases per day and then number of deaths as new criteria for measuring them is implemented.

This is a lie.

This is my prediction of what will happen.

[Indy]

What a mess T**** left for Coronavirus handling. It was way worse than they ever imagined. Talk about an incredible failing as the leader of our country in dire circumstances. Adds to his worst president ever label for the history books.

Well since Nov 3rd all he was throw a temper tantrum about the election and obsess about turning over the results and while rallies. Nothing about a national rollout or vaccine distribution plan because he doesn't care about Americans, plain and simple. Most of his admin just slithered away after they blocked the transition for those 2 months. Biden's admin is essentially walking into this blind now.

Funny, even Fauci says that's complete bunk. There has been a plan, it's being implemented and they have already been administering over 1 million + experimental vaccines per day. Biden's plan was essentially the same as it was from the prior administration. He'll get credit though, as expect a huge decline in number of positive cases per day and then number of deaths as new criteria for measuring them is implemented.

This is a lie.

This is my prediction of what will happen.

Ah, OK. But that won't happen.

[Indy]

You don't need to suspend the order for 90 days to take a second look. Why would you need to suspend this to do that? This allows unapproved and possibly national security risk companies, equipment or entities to be allowed in on our Bulk energy grid and infrastructure for the next 90 days.

No it does not. That is like saying for the last hundred years we allowed those into our country without any oversight until Trump issued the executive order. That is silly. There are checks and balances in place. Were they enough the last 100 years? Most certainly not.

Trumps Exec Order just:

Pillar 1) Says we won't bring in equipment if we don't trust the country it came from... who defines that? Trump trusted Russia more than England or German or Canada. This is just words and doesn't have a process in place to define, evaluate, and judge the company.


Pillar 2) Gives Sec of Energy the sole power to define what is good/prudent and 'pre-qualify' vendors. So no congressional oversight here... hmmm. very swampy.

Pillar 3) This says good things. But again doesn't define anything beyond "Sec Energy said so" as a way to determine which foreign vendors/nationals are good vs bad.

Pillar 4) Again, says good things. But no teeth and doesn't say how any of it will work.

On its face the EO looks to address a real threat to our country. It just was half-assed and doesn't define how it will do it. That is why it wasn't rescinded, and just put on pause until they figure out what is the best approach. It would make zero sense to just follow what Rick Perry's replacement thought was good or bad without vetting it first.

For example, why are only foreign vendors in scope? Are there not any US based companies that place a higher priority on their profits than the security of the US?

You make some good points, Indy, but none of them answers my question on why you can't address every one of them without suspending it for 90 days?

Because if the former Sec of Energy defined what is good and what is bad, you have to follow that if this EO stays in place, even if it is wrong. You can't decide that the decisions should be made by non-partisan OMB without rescinding this EO (or putting it on hold).

You can still do research and make decisions before taking actions(rescinding or putting it on hold).

You can't choose to not follow an executive order.

[In2ition]

Well since Nov 3rd all he was throw a temper tantrum about the election and obsess about turning over the results and while rallies. Nothing about a national rollout or vaccine distribution plan because he doesn't care about Americans, plain and simple. Most of his admin just slithered away after they blocked the transition for those 2 months. Biden's admin is essentially walking into this blind now.

Funny, even Fauci says that's complete bunk. There has been a plan, it's being implemented and they have already been administering over 1 million + experimental vaccines per day. Biden's plan was essentially the same as it was from the prior administration. He'll get credit though, as expect a huge decline in number of positive cases per day and then number of deaths as new criteria for measuring them is implemented.

This is a lie.

This is my prediction of what will happen.

Ah, OK. But that won't happen.

I'm no prophet, so this isn't a prophecy, but I'm pretty confident in my assessment and prediction.

[In2ition]

No it does not. That is like saying for the last hundred years we allowed those into our country without any oversight until Trump issued the executive order. That is silly. There are checks and balances in place. Were they enough the last 100 years? Most certainly not.

Trumps Exec Order just:

Pillar 1) Says we won't bring in equipment if we don't trust the country it came from... who defines that? Trump trusted Russia more than England or German or Canada. This is just words and doesn't have a process in place to define, evaluate, and judge the company.


Pillar 2) Gives Sec of Energy the sole power to define what is good/prudent and 'pre-qualify' vendors. So no congressional oversight here... hmmm. very swampy.

Pillar 3) This says good things. But again doesn't define anything beyond "Sec Energy said so" as a way to determine which foreign vendors/nationals are good vs bad.

Pillar 4) Again, says good things. But no teeth and doesn't say how any of it will work.

On its face the EO looks to address a real threat to our country. It just was half-assed and doesn't define how it will do it. That is why it wasn't rescinded, and just put on pause until they figure out what is the best approach. It would make zero sense to just follow what Rick Perry's replacement thought was good or bad without vetting it first.

For example, why are only foreign vendors in scope? Are there not any US based companies that place a higher priority on their profits than the security of the US?

You make some good points, Indy, but none of them answers my question on why you can't address every one of them without suspending it for 90 days?

Because if the former Sec of Energy defined what is good and what is bad, you have to follow that if this EO stays in place, even if it is wrong. You can't decide that the decisions should be made by non-partisan OMB without rescinding this EO (or putting it on hold).

You can still do research and make decisions before taking actions(rescinding or putting it on hold).

You can't choose to not follow an executive order.

I never said you could. Does the EO say that you can't do an assessment, research on essential vulnerabilities or current vendors and then come up with a plan how to change or adjust it without suspending the EO first?

[Indy]

You make some good points, Indy, but none of them answers my question on why you can't address every one of them without suspending it for 90 days?

Because if the former Sec of Energy defined what is good and what is bad, you have to follow that if this EO stays in place, even if it is wrong. You can't decide that the decisions should be made by non-partisan OMB without rescinding this EO (or putting it on hold).

You can still do research and make decisions before taking actions(rescinding or putting it on hold).

You can't choose to not follow an executive order.

I never said you couldn't. Does the EO say that you can't do an assessment, research on essential vulnerabilities or current vendors and then come up with a plan how to change or adjust it without suspending the EO first?

The first pillar says the Sec Energy gets to make a "pre-approved" list, which means, yeah, you can't take someone off the list.

[Indy]

Funny, even Fauci says that's complete bunk. There has been a plan, it's being implemented and they have already been administering over 1 million + experimental vaccines per day. Biden's plan was essentially the same as it was from the prior administration. He'll get credit though, as expect a huge decline in number of positive cases per day and then number of deaths as new criteria for measuring them is implemented.

This is a lie.

This is my prediction of what will happen.

Ah, OK. But that won't happen.

I'm no prophet, so this isn't a prophecy, but I'm pretty confident in my assessment and prediction.

Just like your prediction of all of the "obamagate" declassifications?

[In2ition]

Because if the former Sec of Energy defined what is good and what is bad, you have to follow that if this EO stays in place, even if it is wrong. You can't decide that the decisions should be made by non-partisan OMB without rescinding this EO (or putting it on hold).

You can still do research and make decisions before taking actions(rescinding or putting it on hold).

You can't choose to not follow an executive order.

I never said you couldn't. Does the EO say that you can't do an assessment, research on essential vulnerabilities or current vendors and then come up with a plan how to change or adjust it without suspending the EO first?

The first pillar says the Sec Energy gets to make a "pre-approved" list, which means, yeah, you can't take someone off the list.

That's an action. That can't be done until after you suspend or rescind it. That can be done afterwards, the assessment prior can be done before it's suspended or rescinded. Idk why it has to be suspended prior to doing the research.

[In2ition]

This is a lie.

This is my prediction of what will happen.

Ah, OK. But that won't happen.

I'm no prophet, so this isn't a prophecy, but I'm pretty confident in my assessment and prediction.

Just like your prediction of all of the "obamagate" declassifications?

Refresh me on what I was wrong about again.

[ShelC]

"The way in which people get vaccine is chaotic," Klain continued. "It's very limited. We've seen this factor all over the country where millions of doses have been distributed. About half of that has been given out. So the process of getting that vaccine into arms, that's the hard process. That's where we're behind as a country and that's where we're focused in the Biden administration on getting that ramped up...We're going to set up these federal vaccination centers to make sure that in states that don't have enough vaccination sites, we fill those gaps."

"I would say one of the biggest problems right now is I can't tell you how much vaccine we have, and if I can't tell it to you then I can't tell it to the governors and I can't tell it to the state health officials," Walensky said. "If they don't know how much vaccine they're getting, not just this week but next week and the week after, they can't plan. The fact that we don't know today, five days into this administration and weeks into planning, how much vaccine we have just gives you a sense with the challenges we've been left with," she continued.

Trump's admin all along left everything up to everyone else to figure out to shirk responsibility and shift blame when necessary. And you can bet if he were still in office and states like NY and NJ were saying they were running low and needed more vaccines, he'd be blaming them for their inefficiency rather than trying to work thru the problem.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- ... trump-plan

Could it be that they felt it was a state's right issue? Just like they didn't require states to do mask mandates or lockdowns? It does seem like something that they can't mandate other than for Federal employees, just like the mask mandate that's only for Federal property and Federal land.

I think during a global pandemic, leadership is necessary and a national program should be implemented to vaccinate the population. Citizens can choose whether or not they want to get vaccinated, but there should be sites available and sufficient doses available for the citizens.

[In2ition]

"The way in which people get vaccine is chaotic," Klain continued. "It's very limited. We've seen this factor all over the country where millions of doses have been distributed. About half of that has been given out. So the process of getting that vaccine into arms, that's the hard process. That's where we're behind as a country and that's where we're focused in the Biden administration on getting that ramped up...We're going to set up these federal vaccination centers to make sure that in states that don't have enough vaccination sites, we fill those gaps."

"I would say one of the biggest problems right now is I can't tell you how much vaccine we have, and if I can't tell it to you then I can't tell it to the governors and I can't tell it to the state health officials," Walensky said. "If they don't know how much vaccine they're getting, not just this week but next week and the week after, they can't plan. The fact that we don't know today, five days into this administration and weeks into planning, how much vaccine we have just gives you a sense with the challenges we've been left with," she continued.

Trump's admin all along left everything up to everyone else to figure out to shirk responsibility and shift blame when necessary. And you can bet if he were still in office and states like NY and NJ were saying they were running low and needed more vaccines, he'd be blaming them for their inefficiency rather than trying to work thru the problem.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden- ... trump-plan

Could it be that they felt it was a state's right issue? Just like they didn't require states to do mask mandates or lockdowns? It does seem like something that they can't mandate other than for Federal employees, just like the mask mandate that's only for Federal property and Federal land.

I think during a global pandemic, leadership is necessary and a national program should be implemented to vaccinate the population. Citizens can choose whether or not they want to get vaccinated, but there should be sites available and sufficient doses available for the citizens.

I believe there was. Didn't NY throw away unused vaccines because they didn't administer them? https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/10/nyre ... lines.html

[Cap]

One of Biden’s EO’s just got squished in court.

U.S. District Judge Drew Tipton issued a temporary restraining order sought by Texas, which sued on Friday against a Department of Homeland Security memo that instructed immigration agencies to pause most deportations. Tipton said the Biden administration had failed “to provide any concrete, reasonable justification for a 100-day pause on deportations.”

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/judge ... ation-ban/

[ShelC]

Looks like they did. Maybe they're figuring it out as they go because they didn't have any direction from Govt officials as to who should get the vaccines if they are being given X amount of doses. Govt oversight would be nice in this instance IMO rather than "here are your doses, make your own rules".

[Indy]

The federal government under Trump told every county to figure it out for themselves. That is stupid. But not a surprise. Trump doesn't care about people that can't help him. So once he lost, he didn't even care about protecting his base. Such a failure of leadership, but again, not a surprise.

[In2ition]

What do you think of Biden's decision to cancel the Keystone pipeline and fracking?

[Indy]

What do you think of Biden's decision to cancel the Keystone pipeline and fracking?

Another lie.

[In2ition]

What do you think of Biden's decision to cancel the Keystone pipeline and fracking?

Another lie.

CNN is a far left propaganda mouthpiece for the Dems and not a legitimate source. Am I doing this correctly, Indy?

Alright, I'll concede the fracking part, but was the Keystone pipeline not cancelled?