2024 Election

[JeremyG]

The fact that RFK was selling himself to endorse both sides tells you everything you need to know about him.

What fact? Where did you get that fact from?

[Cap]

The fact that RFK was selling himself to endorse both sides tells you everything you need to know about him.

What fact? Where did you get that fact from?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... tion-2024/

[Mori Chu]

RFK was a joke of a candidate, and it's shameful that some nontrivial portion of our population would actually consider voting for him. He can stay in or drop out for all I care, but it's telling that he figures his best move is to endorse Trump. He wants a job, some power or influence in the new administration, and Kamala would never give him that. So he'll cozy up to Trump who likely will.

[Cap]

Now Trump is up 5¢ on Polymarket.

[JeremyG]

The fact that RFK was selling himself to endorse both sides tells you everything you need to know about him.

What fact? Where did you get that fact from?

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... tion-2024/

According to a Democrat official. And denied by Kennedy.

[Nodack]

I believe that RFK contacted the Harris campaign about a job and was scorned. Now he is pissed. Trump will take his endorsement in return for a job. Trump can put RFK in charge of Parks and Recreation so he will always get a heads up on any dead animal carcasses they find.

I personally know an RFK supporter who hates Dems and Cons and especially Trump. I am not so sure RFK’s supporters would all just vote for Trump because of RFK’s endorsement. My friend thinks our government is totally on the take and both parties are equally responsible. I am not so sure he is that far off there. RFK was going to go to Washington and clean it all up. He was a little short on how RFK was going to actually accomplish that. My question was, if Dems and Cons don’t like him in Washington, how is he supposed to just fox everything? This isn’t a dictatorship.

[Mori Chu]

Lots of news outlets reported about RFK reaching out to Kamala's campaign. Here's a video of CBS News reporting on it. They claim to have confirmed this from "multiple sources."



Here are other news outlets reporting it. In fact, the Axios article directly quotes RFK, saying of Kamala's lack of interest, "I think it is a strategic mistake for them. That's my perspective," Kennedy said in a Wednesday interview with the Post. "I think they ought to be looking at every opportunity. I think it is going to be a very close race."

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/14/politics ... index.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... net-trump/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/art ... ob-reports
https://nypost.com/2024/08/14/us-news/r ... dorsement/
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rfk-as ... her-report
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/15/rfk-jr ... ndorsement

[JeremyG]

I believe that RFK contacted the Harris campaign about a job and was scorned. Now he is pissed. Trump will take his endorsement in return for a job. Trump can put RFK in charge of Parks and Recreation so he will always get a heads up on any dead animal carcasses they find.

I personally know an RFK supporter who hates Dems and Cons and especially Trump. I am not so sure RFK’s supporters would all just vote for Trump because of RFK’s endorsement. My friend thinks our government is totally on the take and both parties are equally responsible. I am not so sure he is that far off there. RFK was going to go to Washington and clean it all up. He was a little short on how RFK was going to actually accomplish that. My question was, if Dems and Cons don’t like him in Washington, how is he supposed to just fox everything? This isn’t a dictatorship.

I agree that those who were planning to vote for RFK are not all going to vote for Trump. I certainly am not.

But a lot of his supporters will—more than will vote for Harris. Many may just stay home or vote for a different candidate. It was a very stupid mistake for the Dems to force him out of the race and help Trump.

[Nodack]

It doesn’t look good that RFK just wanted a piece of action after his campaign failed and is willing to suck up to either party just to get a job.

[Mori Chu]

It was a very stupid mistake for the Dems to force him out of the race and help Trump.

Nobody forced RFK out of the race. He just doesn't have a very impressive share of the vote in any state, so he seems to be about to abandon his candidacy of his own volition.

Now, some Democrats did try to block RFK from the ballot in a few states (e.g. New York and Georgia) because apparently RFK provided false information on his ballot petitions. I don't know if that is a good or bad reason to throw him off of a ballot, but I really don't think he is exiting the race because of it. He's exiting because his candidacy is an unpopular failure and he has not managed to appeal to more than a small share of voters.

[Cap]

It was a very stupid mistake for the Dems to force him out of the race and help Trump.

Nobody forced RFK out of the race. He just doesn't have a very impressive share of the vote in any state, so he seems to be about to abandon his candidacy of his own volition.

Now, some Democrats did try to block RFK from the ballot in a few states (e.g. New York and Georgia) because apparently RFK provided false information on his ballot petitions. I don't know if that is a good or bad reason to throw him off of a ballot, but I really don't think he is exiting the race because of it. He's exiting because his candidacy is an unpopular failure and he has not managed to appeal to more than a small share of voters.

Plus, Trump offered him something to drop out and endorse him.

Whether Trump will actually keep that promise, I don’t know.

[JeremyG]

It was a very stupid mistake for the Dems to force him out of the race and help Trump.

Nobody forced RFK out of the race. He just doesn't have a very impressive share of the vote in any state, so he seems to be about to abandon his candidacy of his own volition.

Now, some Democrats did try to block RFK from the ballot in a few states (e.g. New York and Georgia) because apparently RFK provided false information on his ballot petitions. I don't know if that is a good or bad reason to throw him off of a ballot, but I really don't think he is exiting the race because of it.

Come on. We all know the Dems colluded with the media to try to destroy his campaign. It was pretty open that they insisted he not be allowed in the debates.

He's exiting because his candidacy is an unpopular failure and he has not managed to appeal to more than a small share of voters.

Because. He. Was. Not. In. The. Debates.

Why was Perot so successful? Because he was in the debates. Jesse Ventura (who was considered for RFK’s running mate and who has endorsed Kamala Harris by the way) always said that the two most important things he would need to be assured of in order to run for president as an independent were that he could be in the debates and have ballot access in all 50 states.

Without that of course you don’t stand a chance. And the two parties know that, which is why they make sure it never happens, so that they can keep their stranglehold on the electorate.

The only way to stop this is to stop voting for Democrats and Republicans.

[Split T]

I wasn’t a fan of RFK, but I agree with Jeremy that it was dumb to bar him from the debates. I hate the 2-part system…choices are good.

[Nodack]

https://san.com/cc/how-does-a-3rd-party ... al-debate/
To qualify, a candidate must:

Be constitutionally eligible to hold the Office of President of the United States.
Appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to have a mathematical chance of winning a majority vote in the Electoral College.
Have a level of support of at least 15% of the national electorate, as determined by five national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations’ most recently publicly reported results at the time of the determination.
These rules are set by the Commission on Presidential Debates, which organizes the events. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party do not have a say. The commission explained that it wants the debates to educate voters, but not act as a springboard for a lesser-known candidate.

[Mori Chu]

Come on. We all know the Dems colluded with the media to try to destroy his campaign. It was pretty open that they insisted he not be allowed in the debates.

I really don't know what this means. "The Dems" don't collude with "the media" to stop Presidential campaigns. This sounds like the talk of shadowy conspiracy theories. I'd love to know how exactly the entire mainstream media managed to pull off such a vast conspiracy without sleuths like you finding them out.

He's exiting because his candidacy is an unpopular failure and he has not managed to appeal to more than a small share of voters.

Because. He. Was. Not. In. The. Debates.

He didn't qualify. You have to be at like 15% of the vote or something to qualify. That might be a high bar, but those are the rules. If he had a constituency he would have been there. He's a fringe candidate.

[JeremyG]

https://san.com/cc/how-does-a-3rd-party ... al-debate/
To qualify, a candidate must:

Be constitutionally eligible to hold the Office of President of the United States.
Appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to have a mathematical chance of winning a majority vote in the Electoral College.
Have a level of support of at least 15% of the national electorate, as determined by five national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations’ most recently publicly reported results at the time of the determination.
These rules are set by the Commission on Presidential Debates, which organizes the events. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party do not have a say. The commission explained that it wants the debates to educate voters, but not act as a springboard for a lesser-known candidate.

The debates this year are not controlled by the Commission on Presidential Debates. Both parties agreed to snub the Commission and made agreements with the media entities themselves (CNN, ABC) to host debates, making up the rules as they negotiated the terms, including that they would make sure Kennedy did not get in.

[JeremyG]

Come on. We all know the Dems colluded with the media to try to destroy his campaign. It was pretty open that they insisted he not be allowed in the debates.

I really don't know what this means. "The Dems" don't collude with "the media" to stop Presidential campaigns. This sounds like the talk of shadowy conspiracy theories. I'd love to know how exactly the entire mainstream media managed to pull off such a vast conspiracy without sleuths like you finding them out.

He's exiting because his candidacy is an unpopular failure and he has not managed to appeal to more than a small share of voters.

Because. He. Was. Not. In. The. Debates.

He didn't qualify. You have to be at like 15% of the vote or something to qualify. That might be a high bar, but those are the rules. If he had a constituency he would have been there. He's a fringe candidate.

Lol, you really think all of those hit pieces came out of pure journalism, and not the media doing the bidding of the Dems?

What about the agreements with CNN and ABC to exclude Kennedy from the debates? As I said above, they just made up the rules as they went along. There were no rules until the parties got together with the networks to create the debates. They set the rules to make sure Kennedy would be excluded.

They even violated their own rules by letting Biden (and Trump) debate, since they literally had not qualified for a single electoral vote, much less 270. This was proven by the fact that the Dems never nominated Biden and Biden will be on the ballot in exactly zero states! Biden was not qualified to participate in the debate!

[Nodack]

https://san.com/cc/how-does-a-3rd-party ... al-debate/
To qualify, a candidate must:

Be constitutionally eligible to hold the Office of President of the United States.
Appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to have a mathematical chance of winning a majority vote in the Electoral College.
Have a level of support of at least 15% of the national electorate, as determined by five national public opinion polling organizations, using the average of those organizations’ most recently publicly reported results at the time of the determination.
These rules are set by the Commission on Presidential Debates, which organizes the events. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party do not have a say. The commission explained that it wants the debates to educate voters, but not act as a springboard for a lesser-known candidate.

The debates this year are not controlled by the Commission on Presidential Debates. Both parties agreed to snub the Commission and made agreements with the media entities themselves (CNN, ABC) to host debates, making up the rules as they negotiated the terms, including that they would make sure Kennedy did not get in.

They both blew off the commission and made their own agreements with the media? RFK is just as welcome as they are to make an agreement with the media. Nobody was interested in debating him. The commission said you need at least 15% of the vote to be considered. RFK sat at around 10% the last several months. Nice try. Maybe next time.b

[Mori Chu]

RFK is doing a press conference today where he officially ends his campaign and endorses Donald Trump.

[Nodack]

I think what he means by government conspiracy is the Dems and Cons not wanting to help him run an election against them making it a conspiracy. The Suns don’t want to help the Lakers win a Championship. It’s a conspiracy.