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Re: Immigration

Post by In2ition » Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:50 pm

Superbone wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:01 pm
In2ition wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:20 pm
Superbone wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:58 am
BAMF wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:29 am
In2ition wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:22 am


Idk where we are at odds here then. I could be wrong, but thought he said he had previous experience at these specific places. We also have to account for the fact that he's completely insane, and I have no idea why insane people do insane things. That could be a factor too. I'd rather he not get charged for that though and instead get put away for life and away from the population.
Totally agreed on this with you. He is a nut bag. I assume he had some major hangups and took his hate out externally. Typically is the case with incels like this perp.
I'm reading a very interesting article in the NY Times about evangelical (he was a churchgoer) culture which implies that sexual sins are more serious than others. From the article: "Combating improper sexual desire is an enduring theme in contemporary conservative evangelicalism. Some men partner in 'accountability groups' and install software that monitors their use of pornography."

"The evangelical culture teaches women to hate their bodies, as the source of temptation, and it teaches men to hate their minds, which lead them into lust and sexual immorality." According to Dr. Onishi who is an associate professor of religious studies.
As an evangelical, this feels like an explanation to the ignorant is a bit to the extreme. I have never heard of this software or the teaching of women to hate their body. Nor is sexual sin taught is more serious than other sin. Now, if you're talking about pedophilia, then everyone thinks that is abhorrent.
Just because it's not your experience doesn't mean it's not the experience of others. This narrative fits in with what we know so far.
What we know so far? Are you an evangelical?
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Re: Immigration

Post by Mori Chu » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:11 pm

I don't like when people use an incident like this to attack religion. Even if the guy thought killing these people was related to his faith, he was wrong. The church didn't tell him to do this nor even remotely imply that he should commit acts of violence.

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Re: Immigration

Post by Indy » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:15 pm

I don't think anyone said that.

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Re: Immigration

Post by In2ition » Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:22 pm

I agree with both of you.
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Re: Immigration

Post by Superbone » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:57 pm

Indy wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:15 pm
I don't think anyone said that.
This. It's whether it was a motive or not. No different than the hate crime angle. Neither one is an excuse.
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Re: Immigration

Post by BAMF » Sat Mar 20, 2021 8:06 pm

It's a hate crime period. A rather demographically specific hate crime, but a hate crime nonetheless.

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Re: Immigration

Post by Mori Chu » Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:19 pm

Indy wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:15 pm
I don't think anyone said that.
True; I didn't mean that anybody here said that. But I've seen such comments on Twitter several times and wanted to mention it. I personally am not religious, but my wife is (Catholic), and many in my family are. I don't like the subset of folks (many of whom are in my own political party) who openly attack religion. IMO it's important for us to be tolerant of all faiths and also of folks who do not have any religion.

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Re: Immigration

Post by Indy » Sun Mar 21, 2021 4:25 pm

Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:19 pm
Indy wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:15 pm
I don't think anyone said that.
True; I didn't mean that anybody here said that. But I've seen such comments on Twitter several times and wanted to mention it. I personally am not religious, but my wife is (Catholic), and many in my family are. I don't like the subset of folks (many of whom are in my own political party) who openly attack religion. IMO it's important for us to be tolerant of all faiths and also of folks who do not have any religion.
That is fair. But the rise in the religious right has tracked closely with the rise of not believing facts.

I assume your wife, although Catholic, doesn't believe the earth is only 5000 years old, or that people all came from Adam and Eve, or that every animal on this planet came from a pairing of a mate on a big boat, etc. But there are plenty of religious people that believe those things to be facts. If those are facts, then it isn't hard to believe all of the other 'facts' that get spread around.

It is really hard for some people to be told that the most important thing is to believe fables in a book over provable facts, and not have the tumble into the rabbit hole.

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Re: Immigration

Post by In2ition » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:56 am

Thank goodness for these Texas Rangers.

Texas Rangers save 6-month-old baby who was hurled out of raft by border 'smugglers'
by Jake Dima, Breaking News Reporter | | March 30, 2021 11:01 PM
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... rio-grande

A special operations unit of the Texas Rangers saved a 6-month-old infant after she was tossed out of a raft by "smugglers" into the Rio Grande River, a hotbed for illegal crossings into the United States, according to authorities.

The child's mother "had been assaulted by" the traffickers in Mexico, and she sustained a broken leg, the Texas Department of Public Safety wrote in a Facebook post on Tuesday, adding that the baby was recovered by a "specialized group" within the Rangers on March 16.

The post included a photograph of a member of the South Texas Special Operations Group of the Texas Rangers holding the child.

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Two toddlers dropped from 14-foot border barrier into U.S., officials say
A camera operator spotted the girls, 3 and 5, from Ecuador, being dropped in what was described as a remote area Tuesday evening, officials said.
March 31, 2021, 8:08 PM MST
By Phil Helsel
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/tw ... RvqXBw7muY

Two toddlers were rescued in a remote part of the New Mexico-Mexico border after they were dropped by someone atop a 14-foot-tall barrier Tuesday night, officials said.

The Border Patrol called it the work of human smugglers, and a sector chief called it appalling and vicious. The head of the Department of Homeland Security called the abuse of children by smugglers morally reprehensible.

The girls, 3 and 5, of Ecuador, were seen on camera being dropped over the border barrier west of Mt. Cristo Rey in New Mexico, near El Paso, U.S. Customs and Border Protection said.

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Thank goodness for the authorities finding these girls.
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Re: Immigration

Post by virtual9mm » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:16 pm

BAMF wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:17 am
Nail salons are predominately Asian owned and were not shot up. You just proved the point... He did not shoot up Massage envy he also did not shoot up an Asian market. He specifically shot up Asian massage parlors.
For the record, the massage ladies were like oooold and the reporting on it was slanted to the point of embarrassment:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... t-1149698/

It wasn't related to sketchy sex stuff as much as it was a race related hate crime. And hate crimes tend to be directed against a specific demographic by definition, BAMF.

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Re: Immigration

Post by virtual9mm » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:20 pm

Cap wrote:
Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:18 pm
The only immigration crisis is a bunch of racist assholes who want to blame immigrants for all their own failings.
Agree, and let me make a related point.

I work with folks in Honduras and conditions are so bad that leaving is a life or death matter. The president is a narco and either you do what they say or you run. With the twin hurricanes that pulverized the country, the narcos have taken over the entire north and people are fleeing for their lives.

These are the people behind the crisis. If they stay, they die.

Now, why can't we force the narco dictator out, pump in massive foreign aid, and take away the incentive to run? No -- we insist on America first I suppose.

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Re: Immigration

Post by BAMF » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:10 am

virtual9mm wrote:
Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:16 pm
BAMF wrote:
Sat Mar 20, 2021 11:17 am
Nail salons are predominately Asian owned and were not shot up. You just proved the point... He did not shoot up Massage envy he also did not shoot up an Asian market. He specifically shot up Asian massage parlors.
For the record, the massage ladies were like oooold and the reporting on it was slanted to the point of embarrassment:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/cu ... t-1149698/

It wasn't related to sketchy sex stuff as much as it was a race related hate crime. And hate crimes tend to be directed against a specific demographic by definition, BAMF.
Are you arguing against me dude. I'm Taiwanese and think its a hate crime. What is not clear here.

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Re: Immigration

Post by Indy » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:11 am

Yeah I think you two are saying the same thing

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Re: Immigration

Post by BAMF » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:13 am

In other news Suns and Asian hate crime related.

Police investigate reported assault on Asian American man with his kids at Phoenix Suns game

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 823172001/

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Re: Immigration

Post by Superbone » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:14 am

BAMF wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:13 am
In other news Suns and Asian hate crime related.

Police investigate reported assault on Asian American man with his kids at Phoenix Suns game

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 823172001/
My mom told me about that. Horrible! What is wrong with these people? Trump gets a lot of the blame, that's for sure. But ultimately it's on the idiots that listen to him.
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Re: Immigration

Post by BAMF » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:18 am

Superbone wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:14 am
BAMF wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:13 am
In other news Suns and Asian hate crime related.

Police investigate reported assault on Asian American man with his kids at Phoenix Suns game

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 823172001/
My mom told me about that. Horrible! What is wrong with these people? Trump gets a lot of the blame, that's for sure. But ultimately it's on the idiots that listen to him.
I "kind of" wish I was there so I could get in trouble for assaulting the original perpetrator. lol

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Re: Immigration

Post by Indy » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:38 am

living up to your moniker.

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Re: Immigration

Post by In2ition » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:46 am

BAMF wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:18 am
Superbone wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:14 am
BAMF wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:13 am
In other news Suns and Asian hate crime related.

Police investigate reported assault on Asian American man with his kids at Phoenix Suns game

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 823172001/
My mom told me about that. Horrible! What is wrong with these people? Trump gets a lot of the blame, that's for sure. But ultimately it's on the idiots that listen to him.
I "kind of" wish I was there so I could get in trouble for assaulting the original perpetrator. lol
I wish any of us that would have stepped in against this asshole would have been there. It's like that guy in NY that assaulted the Asian lady. The security and people inside the building did nothing, other than close the doors to the building. Or the guy on a bike that was assaulted while people just walked by like they didn't even see it. We can't just all sit back and let this happen.
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Re: Immigration

Post by Cap » Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:14 am

In2ition wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:46 am
BAMF wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:18 am
Superbone wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:14 am
BAMF wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:13 am
In other news Suns and Asian hate crime related.

Police investigate reported assault on Asian American man with his kids at Phoenix Suns game

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 823172001/
My mom told me about that. Horrible! What is wrong with these people? Trump gets a lot of the blame, that's for sure. But ultimately it's on the idiots that listen to him.
I "kind of" wish I was there so I could get in trouble for assaulting the original perpetrator. lol
I wish any of us that would have stepped in against this asshole would have been there. It's like that guy in NY that assaulted the Asian lady. The security and people inside the building did nothing, other than close the doors to the building. Or the guy on a bike that was assaulted while people just walked by like they didn't even see it. We can't just all sit back and let this happen.
Is that what they teach you at superhero school?

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Re: Immigration

Post by In2ition » Fri Apr 02, 2021 12:05 pm

Cap wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:14 am
In2ition wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:46 am
BAMF wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:18 am
Superbone wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:14 am
BAMF wrote:
Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:13 am
In other news Suns and Asian hate crime related.

Police investigate reported assault on Asian American man with his kids at Phoenix Suns game

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/lo ... 823172001/
My mom told me about that. Horrible! What is wrong with these people? Trump gets a lot of the blame, that's for sure. But ultimately it's on the idiots that listen to him.
I "kind of" wish I was there so I could get in trouble for assaulting the original perpetrator. lol
I wish any of us that would have stepped in against this asshole would have been there. It's like that guy in NY that assaulted the Asian lady. The security and people inside the building did nothing, other than close the doors to the building. Or the guy on a bike that was assaulted while people just walked by like they didn't even see it. We can't just all sit back and let this happen.
Is that what they teach you at superhero school?
You didn't go to the same one, Cap?
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