Israel / Palestine

[specialsauce]

I see what you are trying to say. I am just not buying it. If you guys want to say the Palestinians had/have nothing to do with attacking Israel for the past 70+ years and are just innocent people who just want to live happily side by side with their Israeli neighbors in the spirit of friendship, then go ahead.

Your hands have the blood of millions of innocent victims as well then. How do you sleep at night? Actually, how do your Mexican, black and Muslim neighbors sleep knowing someone with full culpability for the crimes by the Us government against them is their next door neighbor?

You see how that works?

I see you talking gibberish now.

I have to admit that I buy Sauce's analogy here. And another one that's relevant -- if you believe that the Palestinians are culpable as a whole for the actions of Hamas, you have to admit that the Israelis are culpable as a whole for an indiscriminatory bombing campaign.

Saucy -- let's try to keep things civil, shall we? Nodack -- in the 20-something years I've known you, I've never seen you this worked up about anything.

Telling me my thoughts are gibberish isn't the picture of civility lol

[Mori Chu]

To be fair, I've read sauce's posts here and in the Suns/NBA section, and it's clear that he has suffered multiple major concussions and/or maybe partakes of bath salts or paint sniffing on a regular basis. But I generally agree with him on this topic.

[specialsauce]

To be fair, I've read sauce's posts here and in the Suns/NBA section, and it's clear that he has suffered multiple major concussions and/or maybe partakes of bath salts or paint sniffing on a regular basis. But I generally agree with him on this topic.

Your mom has knocked me around a bit in our time for sure

[Cap]

To be fair, I've read sauce's posts here and in the Suns/NBA section, and it's clear that he has suffered multiple major concussions and/or maybe partakes of bath salts or paint sniffing on a regular basis. But I generally agree with him on this topic.

Your mom has knocked me around a bit in our time for sure

Yo mama so… Yo mama Popeye Jones.

[Nodack]

I see what you are trying to say. I am just not buying it. If you guys want to say the Palestinians had/have nothing to do with attacking Israel for the past 70+ years and are just innocent people who just want to live happily side by side with their Israeli neighbors in the spirit of friendship, then go ahead.

Your hands have the blood of millions of innocent victims as well then. How do you sleep at night? Actually, how do your Mexican, black and Muslim neighbors sleep knowing someone with full culpability for the crimes by the Us government against them is their next door neighbor?

You see how that works?

I see you talking gibberish now.

I have to admit that I buy Sauce's analogy here. And another one that's relevant -- if you believe that the Palestinians are culpable as a whole for the actions of Hamas, you have to admit that the Israelis are culpable as a whole for an indiscriminatory bombing campaign.

Saucy -- let's try to keep things civil, shall we? Nodack -- in the 20-something years I've known you, I've never seen you this worked up about anything.

I appreciate your candor as always 9mm. I have the utmost respect for you, even if we don’t agree. Saucy seems to enjoy pushing buttons and I generally don’t get along with those people.

I think the US has done a lot of good and bad things in its history like a lot of nations. There is quite a long list of wrongs committed against all kinds of people throughout our history. I was taught mostly the good in school and the rest later on in life. Yet here I am, an American. I didn’t ask to be born, I just was. Do I feel the weight of all the wrongs ever committed in the name of the US and feel responsible? Maybe slightly, but not much. I feel more responsibility for my actions in my lifetime. How do I treat the people I meet in my lifetime. Stand up for what I believe in.

I don’t like what either side has done. They need to bury the hatchet somehow and that looks as elusive as a Suns Championship banner. We aren’t going to agree obviously. That happens.

[specialsauce]

How do you expect the Palestinian civilians to surrender? Hamas is not them…none of us were alive for WW2, but I would not have been ok with dropping a nuke on Japan..killing civilians should always be avoided at all costs, not used to force a surrender.

If you were President instead of Truman you would be responsible for an extra couple hundred thousand American deaths in WWII. Just as many Japanese would have probably died without using the nukes if we even won and it would be bloody as hell. We weren’t stopping until unconditional surrender. Same with Germany.

Like I said Hamas was formed by a Palestinian and how many of its soldiers are Palestinians? The Palestinians are total neutered sheep with no balls whatsoever to make any decisions for themselves according you guys.

[specialsauce]

I see what you are trying to say. I am just not buying it. If you guys want to say the Palestinians had/have nothing to do with attacking Israel for the past 70+ years and are just innocent people who just want to live happily side by side with their Israeli neighbors in the spirit of friendship, then go ahead.

Your hands have the blood of millions of innocent victims as well then. How do you sleep at night? Actually, how do your Mexican, black and Muslim neighbors sleep knowing someone with full culpability for the crimes by the Us government against them is their next door neighbor?

You see how that works?

I see you talking gibberish now.

I have to admit that I buy Sauce's analogy here. And another one that's relevant -- if you believe that the Palestinians are culpable as a whole for the actions of Hamas, you have to admit that the Israelis are culpable as a whole for an indiscriminatory bombing campaign.

Saucy -- let's try to keep things civil, shall we? Nodack -- in the 20-something years I've known you, I've never seen you this worked up about anything.

I appreciate your candor as always 9mm. I have the utmost respect for you, even if we don’t agree. Saucy seems to enjoy pushing buttons and I generally don’t get along with those people.

I think the US has done a lot of good and bad things in its history like a lot of nations. There is quite a long list of wrongs committed against all kinds of people throughout our history. I was taught mostly the good in school and the rest later on in life. Yet here I am, an American. I didn’t ask to be born, I just was. Do I feel the weight of all the wrongs ever committed in the name of the US and feel responsible? Maybe slightly, but not much. I feel more responsibility for my actions in my lifetime. How do I treat the people I meet in my lifetime. Stand up for what I believe in.

I don’t like what either side has done. They need to bury the hatchet somehow and that looks as elusive as a Suns Championship banner. We aren’t going to agree obviously. That happens.

I think the word you were looking for when you took another shot at me was accountability.

And the bolded font sounds pretty neutered to
me according to your previous statement. Baaaaahh

[virtual9mm]

Nodack -- thank you for the kind words and you know that I have always respected your views. Usually you are the very epitome of moderation. The strength of your convictions on this issue are not typical for you. We both feel the weight of history...

Saucy -- I totally get where you are coming from but perhaps it is time to let things cool off a bit? Thanks!

[Mori Chu]

Six Israeli hostages were found murdered by Hamas near Rafah. Very sad.

[Mori Chu]

Tel Aviv. There's a big protest going on because Netanyahu hasn't accepted a cease-fire. Interesting.

[Cap]

Good for them. We need that messaging that what the current government is doing doesn’t represent all the people of Israel.

We’d probably be getting some of that on the other side too if people were free to do it.

[virtual9mm]

Good for them. We need that messaging that what the current government is doing doesn’t represent all the people of Israel.

We’d probably be getting some of that on the other side too if people were free to do it.

All of this is happening because Netanyahu doesn't want to go to jail for corruption once he loses office

[Mori Chu]

UK to halt some arms sales to Israel.