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Re: Abortion
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:56 am
by In2ition
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:05 am
They're just going to shut down all the fertility clinics in that state because nobody would want the potential legal liability.
That would be sad, especially with the drops in fertility and sperm counts on the decline over the years.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:07 pm
by Superbone
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:56 am
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:05 am
They're just going to shut down all the fertility clinics in that state because nobody would want the potential legal liability.
That would be sad, especially with the drops in fertility and sperm counts on the decline over the years.
Because half the country is out of shape which is a whole other issue. And no, that's not a Democrat or Republican issue. It's an American issue.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:42 pm
by In2ition
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:07 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:56 am
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:05 am
They're just going to shut down all the fertility clinics in that state because nobody would want the potential legal liability.
That would be sad, especially with the drops in fertility and sperm counts on the decline over the years.
Because half the country is out of shape which is a whole other issue. And no, that's not a Democrat or Republican issue. It's an American issue.
I agree that it's not a Dem or Rep issue. I think that sperm counts have been in decline everywhere in the Western world.
Are you saying that out of shape people are the ones with low sperm counts?
Re: Abortion
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:48 pm
by Superbone
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:42 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:07 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:56 am
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:05 am
They're just going to shut down all the fertility clinics in that state because nobody would want the potential legal liability.
That would be sad, especially with the drops in fertility and sperm counts on the decline over the years.
Because half the country is out of shape which is a whole other issue. And no, that's not a Democrat or Republican issue. It's an American issue.
I agree that it's not a Dem or Rep issue. I think that sperm counts have been in decline everywhere in the Western world.
Are you saying that out of shape people are the ones with low sperm counts?
Yes, pretty sure it is a scientific fact that healthy people have higher sperm counts. Those with less visceral fat and extra body fat in general. Obesity has increased greatly since the 1970s.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:54 pm
by In2ition
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:48 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:42 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:07 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:56 am
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:05 am
They're just going to shut down all the fertility clinics in that state because nobody would want the potential legal liability.
That would be sad, especially with the drops in fertility and sperm counts on the decline over the years.
Because half the country is out of shape which is a whole other issue. And no, that's not a Democrat or Republican issue. It's an American issue.
I agree that it's not a Dem or Rep issue. I think that sperm counts have been in decline everywhere in the Western world.
Are you saying that out of shape people are the ones with low sperm counts?
Yes, pretty sure it is a scientific fact that healthy people have higher sperm counts. Those with less visceral fat and extra body fat in general. Obesity has increased greatly since the 1970s.
In some ways, I think that's probably true, but it's been going down for every category. Even in healthy weighted people(now you're going to get the weightist class after me), the sperm count has been declining.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:16 pm
by Superbone
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:54 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:48 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:42 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:07 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 8:56 am
That would be sad, especially with the drops in fertility and sperm counts on the decline over the years.
Because half the country is out of shape which is a whole other issue. And no, that's not a Democrat or Republican issue. It's an American issue.
I agree that it's not a Dem or Rep issue. I think that sperm counts have been in decline everywhere in the Western world.
Are you saying that out of shape people are the ones with low sperm counts?
Yes, pretty sure it is a scientific fact that healthy people have higher sperm counts. Those with less visceral fat and extra body fat in general. Obesity has increased greatly since the 1970s.
In some ways, I think that's probably true, but it's been going down for every category. Even in healthy weighted people(now you're going to get the weightist class after me), the sperm count has been declining.
Do we know why?
Re: Abortion
Posted: Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:24 pm
by In2ition
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 3:16 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:54 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:48 pm
In2ition wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:42 pm
Superbone wrote: ↑Thu Feb 22, 2024 2:07 pm
Because half the country is out of shape which is a whole other issue. And no, that's not a Democrat or Republican issue. It's an American issue.
I agree that it's not a Dem or Rep issue. I think that sperm counts have been in decline everywhere in the Western world.
Are you saying that out of shape people are the ones with low sperm counts?
Yes, pretty sure it is a scientific fact that healthy people have higher sperm counts. Those with less visceral fat and extra body fat in general. Obesity has increased greatly since the 1970s.
In some ways, I think that's probably true, but it's been going down for every category. Even in healthy weighted people(now you're going to get the weightist class after me), the sperm count has been declining.
Do we know why?
I've seen people talk about how the decline started in the 60's and corresponded with the introduction of birth control pills. The birth control pills get in the water supply and has raised the amount of estrogen in the water supply. They are attributing it to that, and perhaps that's another factor in weight gain in men over the years too. I do not know for sure though.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 10:22 am
by Nodack
People seem to be managing to get pregnant still.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:31 am
by In2ition
Irrelevant to the discussion of declining fertility rates. Yes, you are correct, it is not at zero yet.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:18 pm
by TOO
I believe a lot of the fertility has something to do so do with the Western diet and the way it's manufactured and chemically altered. You pair bad food with bad habits and your body doesn't produce things optimally, I don't think it goes a lot deeper than that.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:24 pm
by In2ition
I think that also plays a part in it. It doesn't exactly explain why Europe is having the same problems, since most of the bad stuff the US sells is banned in Europe.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 1:06 pm
by In2ition
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 18, 2024 11:15 am
Wow. My wife and I have some IVF embryos. It would be nuts if they all had to be used.
Trump agrees with you, and comes out against this ruling.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 2:29 pm
by Nodack
This will be fascinating. The only thing Trump did that went against his party is to promote vaccines. It didn’t hurt him. They just ignored him. Him going against the party on this will be a true test of his power over the party.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Fri Feb 23, 2024 5:12 pm
by Superbone
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:18 pm
I believe a lot of the fertility has something to do so do with the Western diet and the way it's manufactured and chemically altered. You pair bad food with bad habits and your body doesn't produce things optimally, I don't think it goes a lot deeper than that.
And that's one of the same reasons why obesity is way up since the 1970s. All these new ultra processed foods.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:40 am
by Mori Chu
This seems like an extreme position that is going to cost the GOP some votes.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:57 am
by In2ition
Mori Chu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 8:40 am
This seems like an extreme position that is going to cost the GOP some votes.
It's never how they portray the bill. If it's being portrayed this way, I am thinking that there is some poison pill in the bill that they aren't saying here. "That's how politics work" - anonymous
Re: Abortion
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:16 am
by JeremyG
TOO wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2024 12:18 pm
I believe a lot of the fertility has something to do so do with the Western diet and the way it's manufactured and chemically altered. You pair bad food with bad habits and your body doesn't produce things optimally, I don't think it goes a lot deeper than that.
I would also add toxic chemicals in general in the environment (VOCs, chemicals in skin/hair products, etc.) could have something to do with it.
Even laptops have been implicated (“scrotal hyperthermia”).
Re: Abortion
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:37 am
by Kryptonic
Curious.... How much further they wanna take this with the IVF stuff? What's next? Jerking off is murder?
Re: Abortion
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:52 am
by TOO
Kryptonic wrote: ↑Wed Feb 28, 2024 11:37 am
Curious.... How much further they wanna take this with the IVF stuff? What's next? Jerking off is murder?
I've killed civilizations.
Re: Abortion
Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2024 12:06 pm
by Nodack
Lol!