Religion and Politics

[Superbone]

Rome? As in Italy? You on vacation there or something? I went to Europe during Trumps tenure and most people I met were horrified by him. It was totally embarrassing. I spent some time in Italy. Found out Prego wasn’t just the name of a spaghetti sauce or a pregnant girl.

Si! Trevi Fountain and Pantheon, and great food and gelato so far. Today the Colosseum, Palatine Hill, and the Roman Forum. Tomorrow off to Florence for three nights. I’m at the end of a three week European tour of Scotland, France (Monaco, Marseille, Grenoble, Paris), and Italy. Heard great jazz in Paris (young English pianist, Joe Webb and his trio; met him after; great guy!) and Rome so far.

ETA: The Italian guitarist was Gianluca Figliola. Really dug his playing and group.

[Nodack]

That’s awesome! Enjoy yourself!

[Nodack]

Seems sort of like the right thread. An Alabama pastor who is a conservative mayor praised by Trump is also a cross dresser who fantasized of killing a woman and taking over her identity. He was outed when pictures of him cross dressing made it to social media. The police went to well being check on him and he killed himself.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... laire.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 41961.html

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alabama-m ... s-dressing

[Mori Chu]

That's sad. It's too bad he/she couldn't be comfortable just being their authentic self and would rather die than face the judgment of others around them.

[Nodack]

We have seen this before. A religious conservative that publicly is against all the things he is supposed to be against to be a good religious conservative. Underneath all that lies a person who secretly lives a different life that religious conservatives are supposed to be firmly against. He’s a transgender guy but can’t admit it. He goes on publicly taking a stance against LGBTQ+ knowing full well he is one. Once discovered he cannot live with the embarrassment and takes the coward way out.

Fail

[AmareIsGod]

That's sad. It's too bad he/she couldn't be comfortable just being their authentic self and would rather die than face the judgment of others around them.

They also fantasized of killing a woman and taking over her identity. Sounds like they faced bigger issues than being judged for who they are.

[Nodack]

Speaker Johnson: Separation of church, state ‘a misnomer’
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4308 ... -misnomer/
Johnson argued that “faith, our deep religious heritage and tradition is a big part of what it means to be an American”
Speaker Mike Johnson (R-La.) pushed back Tuesday on the belief that there should be separation between church and state on the U.S., arguing that the founding fathers wanted faith to be a “big part” of government.
“Separation of church and state … is a misnomer.

Johnson argued that “faith, our deep religious heritage and tradition is a big part of what it means to be an American” in his comments Tuesday.

“That’s why I think we need more of that,” he said. “Not an establishment of any national religion, but we need everybody’s vibrant expression of faith, because it’s such an important part of who we are as a nation.”

He is not the only member of Congress who has who has suggested that faith should influence the government. Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) faced backlash last year after she said she believes “the church is supposed to direct the government.”
“I’m tired of this separation of church and state junk — that’s not in the Constitution

[Cap]

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, except ours.

[Mori Chu]

At least he's admitting that he doesn't take his oath of office seriously, I guess.

[Superbone]

At least he's admitting that he doesn't take his oath of office seriously, I guess.

And that he can interpret laws to his way of thinking with the best of them.

[Nodack]

As a non religious person, I am not interested in the Christian version of the Koran running our government in any way. I don’t really care about the what the founders intended argument is. The Constitution has been amended 27 times since the founders died. America is what we make it. If they have the power and want to turn the government over to religion they can make it happen. If Americans don’t like the direction they are heading they can always vote in the next election. Edit: (As long as an authoritarian President isn’t elected and does away with elections and the vermin that don’t like him.)

Conservatives got control over the Supreme Court (By stealing Obama’s pick) and ended Roe vs Wade. (Even though the new judges tried real hard to convince the panel confirming them that they wouldn’t touch Roe vs Wade.) Conservatives states immediately started passing anti abortion laws across America. Americans went to the ballot and very convincingly overturned all their anti abortion laws in even the deepest red states, sending a pretty clear message.

All the Supreme Court scandals have put a question mark on just how honorable they really are. The Supreme Court just released a code of conduct for the Supreme Court in response to America questioning their integrity. That has never happened in our history. We promise not to do all the unscrupulous things we have been doing and we have these Ten Commandments we promise to live by that we would never dream of breaking. You have our word as the the most supreme of honorable people.

[Mori Chu]

I hope we would all agree that churches should never explicitly tell their members who to vote for.

[In2ition]

Churches should lose their tax exempt status.

[In2ition]

As a non religious person, I am not interested in the Christian version of the Koran running our government in any way. I don’t really care about the what the founders intended argument is. The Constitution has been amended 27 times since the founders died. America is what we make it. If they have the power and want to turn the government over to religion they can make it happen. If Americans don’t like the direction they are heading they can always vote in the next election. Edit: (As long as an authoritarian President isn’t elected and does away with elections and the vermin that don’t like him.)

Just a point of clarification here. Only 15 amendments have been introduced & ratified since the founders died. They started with the reconstruction amendments after the Civil War, which were 13th, 14th & 15th.

[Nodack]

As a non religious person, I am not interested in the Christian version of the Koran running our government in any way. I don’t really care about the what the founders intended argument is. The Constitution has been amended 27 times since the founders died. America is what we make it. If they have the power and want to turn the government over to religion they can make it happen. If Americans don’t like the direction they are heading they can always vote in the next election. Edit: (As long as an authoritarian President isn’t elected and does away with elections and the vermin that don’t like him.)

Just a point of clarification here. Only 15 amendments have been introduced & ratified since the founders died. They started with the reconstruction amendments after the Civil War, which were 13th, 14th & 15th.

https://constitutioncenter.org/the-cons ... amendments
The Amendments

There have been 27 amendments to the Constitution, beginning with the Bill of Rights, the first 10 amendments, ratified December 15, 1791.

[In2ition]

And you think all the founding fathers died prior to 1791?

[Nodack]

If you ask Google how many constitutional amendments there were it will spit out dozens of sites that say there were 27. The number means absolutely nothing to me me. It could be ten or fifty. It makes no difference to me. My point is we as Americans have amended the Constitution many times when we thought it needed to be.

[Mori Chu]

I think In2 would agree with the total number of amendments being 27. I think his point is that he's drawing a distinction about which amendments were ratified *after the Founding Fathers died*.

[In2ition]

I think In2 would agree with the total number of amendments being 27. I think his point is that he's drawing a distinction about which amendments were ratified *after the Founding Fathers died*.

Thank you. I thought that point was clear, but apparently it needed more clarification.

[Nodack]

Meh