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Credibility and Controversies:

Hersh has a history of breaking major stories and exposing government misconduct.

However, in recent years, his reporting has faced increased scrutiny and criticism, particularly regarding his use of anonymous sources and some controversial claims.

Some of his later works, including articles on the Syrian chemical attack and Osama bin Laden's death, have been rejected by mainstream publications and criticized for relying heavily on anonymous sources.

• The Article in Question:

"Leaving Las Vegas" is published on Hersh's personal Substack, not in a traditional news outlet.

The article makes significant claims about President Biden's re-election campaign and his mental state, based on unnamed sources.
Given Hersh's recent history, such claims should be approached with caution and skepticism.

• Journalistic Approach:

Hersh is known for his unorthodox approach to reporting and his willingness to challenge official narratives. While this can lead to important revelations, it can also result in controversial and sometimes unsubstantiated claims.

While Seymour Hersh has a significant legacy in investigative journalism, his more recent work, including "Leaving Las Vegas," should be approached with critical thinking. The article's claims should not be accepted at face value without corroboration from other reputable sources. Readers should be aware of the ongoing debate surrounding Hersh's journalistic methods and the controversies associated with some of his recent reporting.

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In2, that story doesn't seem to have any sourcing or evidence behind it. It's just one journalist who "suggests" that it may have happened. Do you see that? Why do you believe a story with no evidence?

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More "DEI" stuff. Calling her a "token hire." They can't help themselves. For what it's worth, this kind of messaging is working ... on their base. I called my mom (Fox News viewer) yesterday and she went on and on about how Kamala was a DEI hire and unqualified and dumb as a box of rocks. So, congrats, GOP media.


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They can't help themselves.


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Cap wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:30 pm
In2ition wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:12 pm
Cap wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2024 2:23 pm
In2ition wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2024 1:36 pm
Split T wrote:
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Ya there wasn’t much pushback on Biden until the debate…I agree there…it’s a problem for both sides…just more noticeable with you since you’re generally the only Republican voice in here…though we have seen a few more recently…I hope that continues. I think more voices across the spectrum is good.
I agree with your sentiment. I still don't understand why I'm singled out, if it's acknowledged that it's done by so many others here on the other side. Like one of the quotes I have, "if we all think alike, then no one is thinking". That only happens in Communist countries, and dehumanizing people in history, that don't agree 100% with the prevailing thought leads to death and suffering eventually of that opposing voice.
Yes, a Presidential candidate educating himself on issues that concern the voters is “wasting time.”

It’s a testament to Trump’s awesomeness and a roadmap to his dictatorship. You really think he hasn’t learned about its contents?

You’re voting for Sergeant Schultz.
If he isn't going to implement it, why does it worry you? It's like someone being worried about me driving a unicycle naked through your house. I have no desire or plans to learn how to drive a unicycle or drive anything through your house, nor would I ever show up naked for anything. It would be irrational and a waste of time for me to inform myself on something like that.
Then let him repudiate it and say he won’t implement it. Dodging the question by professing ignorance is disqualifying. There is no excuse for a Presidential candidate to be ignorant of Project 2025.
You would say a hangnail is disqualifying. No one gets a nitpicked as he does.

I don't know everything about Project 2025, and perhaps you know more. Can you tell me what scares you specifically, and without fear mongering or using some propagandists view of it?
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Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:30 am
In2, that story doesn't seem to have any sourcing or evidence behind it. It's just one journalist who "suggests" that it may have happened. Do you see that? Why do you believe a story with no evidence?
It's been reported from a number of other sources the same information earlier. It could be that they are all getting faulty information and repeating it.

I never believed that Biden was fully in charge of anything. He was constantly led around, told he couldn't answer questions at times, and looked lost. I always felt like this was another Obama presidency by proxy. The staff was all Obama people, and he clearly holds sway in the DNC.

Obama followed Trump around on his world tour, as a shadow presidency. He instigated the Russia hoax, and authorized the FISA court stuff with the FBI to spy on Trump and is campaign. He also pushed behind the scenes for the impeachment and general mucking up the first term, constantly trying to oust Trump from office.
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Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:43 pm
Even if that is true, why do we care? It was clear Biden wasn’t fit to be president…they wanted him to step down rather than have to embarrass him more by removing him.
If true, this is extortion. You can 25th Amendment him or not. But you can’t threaten to do it and expect an outcome.
Staging a coup is what Dems call Democracy? I missed that lesson in civics class.
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In2ition wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:18 am
Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:30 am
In2, that story doesn't seem to have any sourcing or evidence behind it. It's just one journalist who "suggests" that it may have happened. Do you see that? Why do you believe a story with no evidence?
It's been reported from a number of other sources the same information earlier. It could be that they are all getting faulty information and repeating it.

I never believed that Biden was fully in charge of anything. He was constantly led around, told he couldn't answer questions at times, and looked lost. I always felt like this was another Obama presidency by proxy. The staff was all Obama people, and he clearly holds sway in the DNC.

Obama followed Trump around on his world tour, as a shadow presidency. He instigated the Russia hoax, and authorized the FISA court stuff with the FBI to spy on Trump and is campaign. He also pushed behind the scenes for the impeachment and general mucking up the first term, constantly trying to oust Trump from office.
Wow. You are deep down the conspiracy rabbit hole.
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In2ition wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:18 am
Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:30 am
In2, that story doesn't seem to have any sourcing or evidence behind it. It's just one journalist who "suggests" that it may have happened. Do you see that? Why do you believe a story with no evidence?
It's been reported from a number of other sources the same information earlier. It could be that they are all getting faulty information and repeating it.
OK, what other journalists? And what are those journalists' sources? So far all I have seen is speculation from one guy who thinks this may have happened, providing no evidence. And that's enough for you; you believe it, you're off to the races. Have you ever considered that you are much more willing to believe outlandish conspiracy theories if they align with your political opinions and biases?

In2ition wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:18 am
I never believed that Biden was fully in charge of anything. (...) Obama followed Trump around on his world tour, as a shadow presidency. He instigated the Russia hoax, and authorized the FISA court stuff with the FBI to spy on Trump and is campaign. He also pushed behind the scenes for the impeachment and general mucking up the first term, constantly trying to oust Trump from office.
Citation needed. I have not seen any supporting evidence for this. Again, you're quite willing to believe (or, in this case, basically make up out of whole cloth) vast conspiracy theories if they align with what you want to believe.

If I told you that I don't think Trump was really in charge in 2017-2021, that it was a shadow presidency run by George W Bush, wouldn't you say I sounded like a complete loon?

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In2ition wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:21 am
Split T wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:43 pm
Even if that is true, why do we care? It was clear Biden wasn’t fit to be president…they wanted him to step down rather than have to embarrass him more by removing him.
If true, this is extortion. You can 25th Amendment him or not. But you can’t threaten to do it and expect an outcome.
Staging a coup is what Dems call Democracy? I missed that lesson in civics class.
Well your civics class came from Trump…I wouldn’t expect you to know what a coup is…

You are searching for something that isn’t there. Biden needed to go and he’s gone. That’s it.

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I still think it's batshit that Elon posted this video. It's an AI fake video of Kamala with doctored quotes that she didn't say. Does this violate Musk's own policies for X? I really think it's going to do harm in this election that one of our most important communication tools (Twitter) is owned and controlled by an openly avowed Trump supporter who has shown that he will actively skew the platform's moderation, content, and algorithms to favor his preferred candidate and party.


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Musk is becoming a Bond villain before our eyes.
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In2ition wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:21 am
Split T wrote:
Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:43 pm
Even if that is true, why do we care? It was clear Biden wasn’t fit to be president…they wanted him to step down rather than have to embarrass him more by removing him.
If true, this is extortion. You can 25th Amendment him or not. But you can’t threaten to do it and expect an outcome.
Staging a coup is what Dems call Democracy? I missed that lesson in civics class.
Far better to keep the declining, incompetent Biden there for Trump to wax the floor with. Harris is a true challenge for Trump and the Republicans. If she wasn't, as you've repeatedly claimed, why worry so much? And again, you're providing articles without true sources of anonymous ones. I don't care how many other people have shared the same. If none of them have sources, they are just repeating the same empty claims of one another.
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None of this matters. She IS the Dems pick and Trump IS the Cons pick. The rest is just meaningless talk.

If Republicans want to pressure Trump into pulling out of the race and substituting Vance instead right now because he’s a serial lying, tax evading, Russian puppet, sexual assaulting, convicted criminal, con man, extortionist, traitor, then I am pretty sure the Democrats wouldn’t complain one bit.
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Really just sounds like sour grapes because the Democrats have themselves a shot.
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Yep, they had the election won and now it’s up in the air

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The absurdity of the things Trump says has somehow increased since Kamala Harris has been introduced as the Democrat presidential candidate. He went from hinting about him being an authoritarian ruler that never leaves to pretty much saying it out loud now. I guess he hinted around enough at his rallies that his cult has grown accustomed to it and now he says vote for me and you will never have to again ever because we will fix it?

That is another level. He is leading them down a dark path.
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Nodack wrote:
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The absurdity of the things Trump says has somehow increased since Kamala Harris has been introduced as the Democrat presidential candidate. He went from hinting about him being an authoritarian ruler that never leaves to pretty much saying it out loud now. I guess he hinted around enough at his rallies that his cult has grown accustomed to it and now he says vote for me and you will never have to again ever because we will fix it?

That is another level. He is leading them down a dark path.
It's Hitler all over again.
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Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:47 am
In2ition wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:18 am
Mori Chu wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 7:30 am
In2, that story doesn't seem to have any sourcing or evidence behind it. It's just one journalist who "suggests" that it may have happened. Do you see that? Why do you believe a story with no evidence?
It's been reported from a number of other sources the same information earlier. It could be that they are all getting faulty information and repeating it.
OK, what other journalists? And what are those journalists' sources? So far all I have seen is speculation from one guy who thinks this may have happened, providing no evidence. And that's enough for you; you believe it, you're off to the races. Have you ever considered that you are much more willing to believe outlandish conspiracy theories if they align with your political opinions and biases?

In2ition wrote:
Sun Jul 28, 2024 9:18 am
I never believed that Biden was fully in charge of anything. (...) Obama followed Trump around on his world tour, as a shadow presidency. He instigated the Russia hoax, and authorized the FISA court stuff with the FBI to spy on Trump and is campaign. He also pushed behind the scenes for the impeachment and general mucking up the first term, constantly trying to oust Trump from office.
Citation needed. I have not seen any supporting evidence for this. Again, you're quite willing to believe (or, in this case, basically make up out of whole cloth) vast conspiracy theories if they align with what you want to believe.

If I told you that I don't think Trump was really in charge in 2017-2021, that it was a shadow presidency run by George W Bush, wouldn't you say I sounded like a complete loon?
This is my opinion from what I've seen. I'm not going to build a case for it with print and video evidence. I just don't care that much to do the work for your appeasement.

Was Trump the VP for George W. Bush? Is George W or his VP a fan of Trump's?
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