Time to Vote (really this time)

[Indy]

Let's pretend we have to vote now for the candidate we want to be president. If these are your choices, who do you select? (and I gave the option to pick two, since I know many people have a hard time deciding...)

[carey]

Who would I want? Sanders. I just don't think he can beat Clinton in the primaries. If it's Clinton or the GOP field, I pick Clinton.

[Indy]

That's why I am asking now. I am not asking who you want from the field of 2 (one from each party), but who you would pick if you could (that is running).

[carey]

Gotcha. I really wish Warren would have ran. Sanders is a close second for me ideologically and Clinton is more of a "well, at least she's not the fucking idiot, the fascist, or the moron."

[Ghost]

Sanders.

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[Ghost]

I can't see the poll on my phone, so call that a write in vote.

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[ShelC]

Clinton is more of a "well, at least she's not the fucking idiot, the fascist, or the moron

Yea you're right. She more of a lying, cheating, stealing cover-up artist who will say anything to get elected.

[Ladmo]

Trump... kidding...

[Ghost]

Clinton is more of a "well, at least she's not the fucking idiot, the fascist, or the moron

Yea you're right. She more of a lying, cheating, stealing cover-up artist who will say anything to get elected.

Which is still better than the liars and cheaters and sayers of anything the wrong wing has to offer.

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[Ghost]

Sorry...i misspelled "right." OK, I did it on purpose.

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[Indy]

Clinton is more of a "well, at least she's not the fucking idiot, the fascist, or the moron

Yea you're right. She more of a lying, cheating, stealing cover-up artist who will say anything to get elected.

To be fair, that last part is true of 99% of people that have ever entered the presidential race.

[Nodack]

Sanders.

Clinton lied? They all lie. Benghazi thing is just stupid and all that total BS that came from that makes me just hate the Republican Party more than stupid emails about what Hillary watches on TV or what kind of tea she drinks.

They say Hillary has a likability problem. I don't even like her but, I would stil vote for her long before I vote for any Republican because I am completely disgusted with the whole Republican Party. To me the party is a cross between evil and stupid. FOX News is evil. When Rupert Murdoch passes away I will throw a party.

[Ladmo]

You know what I want? I want to see a country that tempers one side with the other. I want to see the two sides work together for a change. It doesn't have to be completely Conservative or completely Socialist, but if each side tempers the other, THAT'S the society I strive for. But it seems like it always has to be all one side or the other. Taken my choice of the two, Socialism starts looking pretty good.

And if you can't see that I am using Socialism as an extreme view of Liberalism and trying to use a little humor in making my point, then go ahead and call me a Socialist. I would have nothing against the Republican Party if they didn't have to always have it all, everything their way, all the time, or that meant you must be a Communist. Just so friggin' tired of both parties inability to work together, and yes, I do blame Republicans for that.

[Mori Chu]

I actually think Hillary would govern better than Bernie. Bernie has better principles and ideals, but I'm not actually convinced that these are qualities of a successful politician. You have to compromise and work with the other party to get anything done. I think Bernie would dig in too much and would want legislation that would be so distasteful to the Republicans that it would not pass. I grant that this is speculative but that's how I think it would go down.

[Indy]

You have to compromise and work with the other party to get anything done.

I think he has a much longer track record of doing this than Clinton does. She isn't her husband.

[ShelC]

Clinton lied? They all lie. Benghazi thing is just stupid

The Clinton's consistently lie and cover up. It's one thing to talk BS or take a side to get elected, but Hillary especially changes her message depending on who she's talking to. And Benghazi wasn't stupid. That was a legit failure and again, subsequent cover-up. The GOP politicized it and the media made light of the proceedings but the warnings were there, the response at the time of the attack was too slow and for days after the attack they tried to get say it was because of a youtube movie.

You're right about Sanders, but he's too small time to govern a global power and leader of the free world. I could see Hillary as Prez and Bernie as VP to deal with domestic issues.

[Mori Chu]

I definitely would not mind a Hillary-Bernie ticket. That is my big hope at this point.

[Nodack]

I had debated this more than a dozen times. What did Hillary cover up? I saw the multiple investigations into Benghazi looking for a coverup but, after 8 separate investigations looking for a coverup I never heard what they uncovered? Was it that they uncovered she had an email account? If that is the big coverup I am not impressed. They wrapped up many of the investigations and all of them came to the conclusion that there was no wrong doing or a coverup by anybody. If you can find one that say differently please post it. Even though those investigation yielded no coverup that hasn't stopped Republicans from claiming there was a big coverup.

If the coverup is the fact that they thought it was a video that sparked a protest that turned violent instead of just a terrorist attack then once again I am not swayed. I was all over the internet that day. Every single news outlet including FOX News had as their big story all the different protests going on at dozens of US Embassies protesting the video. There also deaths at other US embassies but, none of them were Americans so, nobody cared. Whether or not they thought it was a protest turned violent or whether it was just a terrorist attack makes zero difference to me. Hillary said the same thing and Republicans then reported that she said what difference does it make that four American died. That's pure partisan BS.

I saw the video. It was real. It was stupid and made by a Coptic Christian in Egypt trying to promote hatred between Christians and Muslims and it worked. The Muslim world blamed the US for the video and protested at our embassies. Terrorists attacked at Benghazi on the same day. To initially think it was just one of dozens of protests going on seems pretty logical to me. The muliple investigations don't say anything about slow response times. For FOX News and Republicans to say there never was a video and there never were any protest going on that day is something I am 100% positive is not true and they know it. I am 100% convinced the whole investigation/coverup thing was a witch hunt to lower Hilarry's ratings. We have now heard from several prominent Republicans admiting that it was a witch hunt.

I Don''t think any Republican has read their own reports so I will find them and post them.

Bernie is too small time to be President? What does that mean? He has been in Washington for some time and isn't young. He has a long track record. What makes a person big time?

[Nodack]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/benghazi-re ... legations/
WASHINGTON -- The CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, a Republican-controlled House committee has found. Its report asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration officials.

Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the two-year investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.

In the immediate aftermath of the attack, intelligence about who carried it out and why was contradictory, the report found. That led Susan Rice, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to inaccurately assert that the attack had evolved from a protest, when in fact there had been no protest.

But it was intelligence analysts, not political appointees, who made the wrong call, the committee found. The report did not conclude that Rice or any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people.

[Mori Chu]

The way I look at the Benghazi thing is, the opponents of Hillary tried what, 11 times, to pin something on her? And they could not find any evidence whatsoever of any wrongdoing. You can do something wrong without being found guilty, but I really feel like if there were any meat on the bone, they would have found a way to make something stick. She came out literally 100% clean on it.

Also, we don't know everything about their foreign intelligence, what they hear every day, what they do / don't know, etc. I don't think we really have full information to know what they knew and how they should have reacted to it. Based on what I have read and heard, I don't see what they should have done differently.

The private email server thing actually upsets me more. That was really careless and could (did?) divulge secrets and matters of national security to outside interests. Hillary may not have really understood the tech and just went along with somebody else's advice or decision, but she should have known better and the buck stops with her to some degree. In 2015 you shouldn't be running your own cottage email server and private address when you're literally emailing about the deepest secrets and plans of the nation. She also didn't seem very regretful or apologetic about the whole thing, either. This one really bothered me. I'm willing to forgive it in light of the big picture, but I did not like that one bit.

As a computer nerd I worry constantly about the fact that most of our politicians don't know anything about computers but still try to pass asinine legislation related to things like encryption, net neutrality, and so on. Hillary not understanding basics of security and email servers (and not having good people around her to get these things right) is bad.